# Starving Artists thinks attempted rape is not "all that serious" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855 "2018-09-24T20:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/241 "2018-09-27T11:01:06Z")
So, on the Starving Artist Linear Scale of Crime Seriousness, at what point do you feel comfortable discounting the reports of victims and implying their accusations not be pursued? Is there a time factor involved? ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/242 "2018-09-27T11:07:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What I have done is make the perfectly valid observation that what is alleged to have happened in this case is relatively minor compared to other more serious degrees of sexual assault. SO WHAT? What you have said is that this type of “relatively minor” sex offence should just be shrugged off. NO! A victim of a sexual assault has an absolute right to have the sex offender tried, convicted, and punished. When THE JUDGE (not some twit on the internet) sentences the sex offender, he or she takes into account where it fits in relation to other cases and decides what the PRISON SENTENCE should be. NO SEXUAL ASSAULT IS MINOR. “RELATIVELY” OR OTHERWISE. NO DEPRIVATION OF LIBERTY IS MINOR. “RELATIVELY” OR OTHERWISE. Yes, other sex offenders might get a longer sentence. SO WHAT? Why would ANY NORMAL PERSON make such a (in your words, not accepted) “valid observation”? You’re an apologist for sex offenders. Nobody has to put up with being assaulted. /END ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/243 "2018-09-27T11:09:41Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > So, on the Starving Artist Linear Scale of Crime Seriousness, at what point do you feel comfortable discounting the reports of victims and implying their accusations not be pursued? Is there a time factor involved? If they are foul-mouthed sluts and not “ladylike”, they are fair game. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/244 "2018-09-27T11:20:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Does that mean I’m alleging your upper respiratory infection is meaningless or not significant? Of course not. It means exactly that. What is the POINT of saying such a thing? It’s either a pointless remark (in which case it should be retracted) or the point is to diminish the other person’s experience/suffering by odious comparisons to “worse things”. In either case, STFU ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/245 "2018-09-27T11:58:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Certainly compare and contrast. A dispassionate and objective assessment will reveal both statements to be correct. First you say the victim is “free to interpret the seriousness of what she says happened to her in any way she feels she should”. And then you tell them their interpretation of how serious it is is wrong, and she should just forget about it. I’m not surprised you claim there’s no inconsistency in your stance there. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/246 "2018-09-27T12:38:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …we don’t allow people guilty of manslaughter to be charged with first degree murder simply because the family of the victim feels it was first degree murder. Since you’re in the habit of claiming others are being dishonest or illogical by twisting or misinterpreting your posts,\* here’s what Kambuckta actually said: \*(My own interpretation based on what you’ve been posting in this thread alone. Not, y’know, your _actual_ words.) > [@kambuckta](#): > > I’m going to go out on a really long limb here and suggest that attempted rape is just as fucking scary, threatening and dehumanizing as an actual rape. > > It doesn’t make the perp a better person, it doesn’t absolve them of ANY culpability in my eyes. That they didn’t get to finish what they intended in no way diminishes the fear that the victim experienced. Sure, maybe there’s no physical damage to the victim, but the emotional and psychological scars remain, as has been evidenced in this very thread. Here’s your retort, again: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … **we don’t allow people guilty of manslaughter to be charged with first degree murder** simply because the family of the victim feels it was first degree murder. And just for funsies, here’s Kambuckta’s words once more: > [@kambuckta](#): > > I’m going to go out on a really long limb here and suggest that \*\*attempted rape is just as fucking scary, threatening and dehumanizing as an actual rape. \*\* See what she wrote? See what she _didn’t_ write? And while you’re pondering that … > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Does this ring a bell: > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Someone once commented on Facebook that you can’t win with women, because: _“They get offended if you compliment 'em and insulted if you don’t.”_ > > I appreciate the sentiment. Yeah, wimmin is a tough game to play. No matter how you try belittle them they just don’t show the proper appreciation. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/247 "2018-09-27T13:45:48Z")
I think I’m going to “hear”\*\* Starvie\*\*'s posts in the slightly hysterical, clearly-resenting-being–pwned-by-a-woman-on-live-TV voice of [Michael Caputo](https://youtu.be/pZgZGKTbvBU?t=239) from now on. What a snowflake.He say “People like you!” the way I imagine **Starvie** yells “Liberals!” at his monitor. Or passing clouds, it’s all the same to him. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/248 "2018-09-27T13:56:40Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Or passing clouds, it’s all the same to him. he’s really grandpa, from The Simpsons 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/249 "2018-09-27T14:19:01Z")
I’m curious about this statement: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > This is all 100% politically motivated. Ford was not harmed. Whatever groping happened, happened over her clothes. There was no skin-on-skin contact and she was able to get away fairly easily When someone called you on this statement, you responded: > [@](#): > > This is not an excuse or an apology. It’s a simple statement of fact intended to keep things in perspective in an atmosphere where people were attempting to portray the incident as equivalent to factual rape So, you think “Ford was not harmed” is a statement of fact? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/250 "2018-09-27T15:09:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Most of what I do watch is either on DVD (A&E’s Nero Wolfe, for example, or various movies) or Perry Mason reruns on ME TV. I don’t have cable or satellite television because it would be a waste of money. That explains your compulsion to live by 1950’s standards. Raymond Burr was GAY by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/251 "2018-09-27T15:23:03Z")
In this thread, Starving Artist is the cardboard tube. ---
**Author:** ![chaika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chaika/32/405_2.png) [@chaika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaika)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/252 "2018-09-27T15:53:43Z")
I find Starving Artist’s rhetorical gymnastics utterly fascinating. For someone who enjoys scolding others for perceived dishonesty, he is probably the most intellectually dishonest poster I have ever encountered on the SDMB. How can he possibly claim with a straight face that saying an attempted rape was not “all that serious” (among various other minimizing statements) is somehow qualitatively different from saying it was “no big deal”? Pull the other one, it’s got bells on. Perhaps a more charitable, though more damning, interpretation is that he is simply incapable of formulating and supporting a reasoned argument. I have occasionally encountered students like this, the ones who simply seem unable to make connections, interpret evidence, draw conclusions. However, they are still young and their minds retain enough plasticity that I am generally optimistic that they can develop these abilities. In the case of Starving Artist, I fear that ship sailed a long time ago. Or perhaps he’s just a troll. The simplest explanation, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/253 "2018-09-27T16:21:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Four posts over a 13 year span (one from 2005, one from 2009, and two from 2011) is frequent? Those examples are by no means the only posts where you talk about the views and attitudes of, e.g., Hannity, Limbaugh, and other right-wing media voices. Sheesh, **Starving Artist** , first you whine because you think I quote too many of your posts, and then you whine that I’m quoting too few of them. :rolleyes: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Further, you seem to have missed that in two of those four posts I was on the side of those here who said the people or claims in them were wrong. What I said had nothing to do with which “side” you were on in any particular case, just your awareness of standard talking points on the right-wing “side”. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > The fact is I don’t watch more than three or four hours of TV in a month, and I haven’t for many years. […] I don’t have cable or satellite television because it would be a waste of money. I also don’t listen to the radio except for music, and I haven’t for many, many, many years. I already addressed this issue: > [@Kimstu](#): > > Whatever your personal habits or choices may be about your consumption, or lack thereof, of specific right-wing media products, you’re clearly getting a lot of exposure from somewhere to right-wing talking points, and it shows in the rhetoric of your posts. Are you hoping that we won’t notice that watching and listening to TV and radio shows aren’t the only ways that one can be exposed to right-wing media talking points? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/254 "2018-09-27T16:39:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Maybe if I put it in caps it’ll finally sink in: I DID NOT SAY, AND I HAVE NEVER SAID, THAT SEXUAL ASSAULT IS NOT SERIOUS! > > What I have done is make the perfectly valid observation that what is alleged to have happened in this case is relatively minor compared to other more serious degrees of sexual assault. Again, here’s what you actually said: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > [Perhaps](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21227255&postcount=3151) the problem lies in the fact that I don’t think what she alleges to have happened to her is all that serious. During the days of my own youth such occurrences during drunken parties was fairly commonplace, and the reaction of the girls involved was usually that the guy was just a drunken asshole and then they forgot about it. To which **LHoD** replied: > [@LHoD](#): > > [I](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21227322&postcount=3174) think you’re right that such events were fairly commonplace. I’m curious how many of them you were either responsible for, or were aware of at the time but did nothing about. To which you replied, quoting his remarks: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > [Well](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21227473&postcount=3213) you see, in those days people were both more realistic about life and they could cope with things. It simply never occurred to the girls that anything morally wrong was going on, boys were gonna go for it and that’s just the way life was. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Let me put it this way: What if you were to say to me that you had an upper respiratory infection and that it makes you feel terrible and is the worst thing ever, and I were to answer that your infection is actually relatively minor because I have other things in mind, such as pneumonia, emphysema and lung cancer. Does that mean I’m alleging your upper respiratory infection is meaningless or not significant? Of course not. But if you say something like _“Well back in my day people were better at coping with things, and nobody was really bothered by an upper respiratory infection, they just dealt with it and then forgot about it because it’s just the way life was”_, then yes, it sure would sound like you’re alleging that an upper respiratory infection is not significant. And that’s the sort of thing you were saying about sexual assault. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I maintain that Ford’s deprivation of liberty, to the extent you want to make it about this, is relatively minor compared to that which many other women have faced. Nobody’s disagreeing with that in the least. What people are disagreeing with you about is your attempt to distort the nature of your previous remarks after the fact, in order to pretend that they don’t convey a clear message of treating sexual assault as NBD. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > As for me, I think I’m just going to start posting links to the many posts I’ve already made on this subject Feel free. But we can see posts you’ve made on this subject quoted and linked right here in this post, and they are very clear about what you were actually saying. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/255 "2018-09-27T17:43:45Z")
SA, go watch Dr. Fords hearing. It may teach you a thing or 2. One look at her should prove to you she was victimized in the worst way possible. And it has impacted her whole life. Only the worst kind of person could not have empathy for her. This man, Kavanaugh should be kicked to the curb. He is not worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/256 "2018-09-27T17:51:36Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > SA, go watch Dr. Fords hearing. It may teach you a thing or 2. One look at her should prove to you she was victimized in the worst way possible. And it has impacted her whole life. Only the worst kind of person could not have empathy for her. This man, Kavanaugh should be kicked to the curb. He is not worthy. Unfortunately, the shartist is actually a really bad person. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/257 "2018-09-27T18:28:00Z")
Seen today on Twitter: “Brock Turners grow up to become Brett Kavanaughs who get to make the rules for Brock Turners.” ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/258 "2018-09-27T18:57:40Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > Unfortunately, the shartist is actually a really bad person. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk A sad realization. Too bad. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/259 "2018-09-27T20:04:21Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > First you say the victim is “free to interpret the seriousness of what she says happened to her in any way she feels she should”. And then you tell them their interpretation of how serious it is is wrong, and she should just forget about it. > > I’m not surprised you claim there’s no inconsistency in your stance there. Part of your surprise may be rooted in the fact that I haven’t “told her” anything. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/260 "2018-09-27T21:19:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Part of your surprise may be rooted in the fact that I haven’t “told her” anything. Really? You’re going to quibble about physical vs internet telling? That’s your best defense? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=14)