# Starving Artists thinks attempted rape is not "all that serious" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855 "2018-09-24T20:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/281 "2018-09-28T06:04:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I will mail you a $100 check if you can point to where I said attempted rape is no big deal. Your (frankly, disgusting) remarks have been quoted numerous times. How about you stop the nonsense and give us all a break? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/282 "2018-09-28T06:05:42Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Hey, **Starving Artist** , I have a proposition for you. I’ll leave it up to you as to whether I should post my idea here, or via private message. > > I hope you are curious enough to at least entertain the idea. Anyone can PM me at anytime, but if I’m to make a choice I’ll need to know something of the nature of your idea first. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/283 "2018-09-28T06:07:51Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > but if I’m to make a choice I’ll need to know something of the nature of your idea first. You don’t get a choice, you must do what we determine you’ll do. Just shut and take it. It’s no big deal. Not serious. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/284 "2018-09-28T06:14:50Z")
Ah, so a conspiracy has been in the making? However, and unsurprisingly given your record so far, you’re wrong about my not getting a choice. **Superdude** specifically asked me to choose between a PM or posting his idea here. Do I need to point out that it’s right there in the post you quoted? ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/285 "2018-09-28T06:18:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > **Superdude** specifically asked me to choose between a PM or posting his idea here. So your little friend might have asked you to choose, but I forbid it. It is not becoming. Get back in the kitchen and do your chores. And don’t answer back or you’ll get the back of my hand. Stop getting ideas above your station. Just do as you’re told and shut up. If there’s a choice to be made, I’ll make it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/286 "2018-09-28T06:34:34Z")
Very well, but you’ll have to build me a house first. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/287 "2018-09-28T06:39:08Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Indeed. And were people attempting to carry on today as though an upper respiratory infection was the most horrible thing ever and on par with emphysema and cancer I would still aver that comparatively it isn’t that big of a deal. > > Part of the confusion probably comes from the fact that the behavior I referred to when talking about my youth wasn’t considered sexual assault, and it was within that context I made my comments about coping and so forth. This is not to say I don’t consider coping and perspective abilities to be positive things to develop these day. In my opinion much of the trauma induced by things such as what allegedly happened to Ford is the result of the victimhood mentality promoted by the left these past decades. Were this not so, the women and girls I spoke of who handled such instances with relative aplomb and then went on about their lives as if nothing had happened would not have been able to do so. It should be obvious that when women were able to routinely blow off such instances up to the late sixties and be unaffected by them psychologically that the event itself is not responsible for the trauma today’s women feel in encountering the same type behavior. And the difference is that women of today have been taught and encouraged to think that such instances are terrifying events that change their lives forever and in ways from which they never fully recover. I’ve seen people talk about the deaths of beloved children or spouses twenty and thirty years in the past who don’t carry on the way Gloria Allred’s Cosby victims did in her press conferences, or the deeply traumatized way Ford is behaving at the Kavanaugh hearings. > > Imagine a woman who receives a cut to her arm in 1960. Then imagine a woman who gets a cut in her arm today. They’ve both been injured and in the same way. > > Now consider a woman 1960 who gets drunkenly accosted at a party in the way Ford says she was and this woman blows it off with the thought that this particular guy is just an asshole and gets on with her life positively unscathed by the incident. > > Now consider a woman today, of whom Christine Ford would be a good example, who encounters an identical occurrence as the woman in 1960, but she’s forever changed by the event. She flees the part of the country where it occurs. She has in the back of her mind constantly and is driven to achieve and succeed academically and in life generally as a way to overcome the horrific experience inflicted upon her 'lo those many years before, and yet even now and having achieved all her accomplishments, she still can’t escape the trauma of that night. > > Both women have experienced the same “cut,” but which comes away from it with a better life? And to what do you attribute the sudden difference in the way they come away from it? > > Clearly it’s because women have been taught to react this way by leftist victimhood ideology, starting in the late sixties. > > Part of this, in my opinion, is the result of leftists who seek to villainize men as part of the women’s equality movement. The more that women can be made to feel victimized and the more they can blame men for it, the more angry they get and the more inspired they become to join the revolution. > > It’s old-line commie dogma that to get people to join your revolt, you must first get them angry. And what better way to get women angry than to convince them that men have ruined their lives now and for evermore, and what better avenue to achieve this than through the universal experience of sex? Keep telling yourself this if it works for you, but with how obsessed you seem about the subject I get the feeling that guilt is involved in some way. If you did some shitty things to other people why not just own up to it, at least to yourself. I’ll let you in on a secret, us men who don’t rape or sexually assault women don’t have a rational reason to fear it. Us men aren’t being villainized, the rapists and the rape apologists are being villainized. If you worry about some man’s reputation and completely hand-wave away the fact that women, children and yes even other men are being raped and assaulted you deserve it too. I don’t know how old you are but it doesn’t matter because you a fucking child in an adults body and guess what no one is going to help you grow up into a real man except for you. Even if you never committed a crime we both fucking know you remember that one girl in school that you really liked and came across as creepy or that one time you misjudged and went in for an unwanted kiss. Guess what, us other guys sincerely apologized or at least feel bad about it. What fucking world do you live in where women are somehow so different that they can’t possibly remember this? I am sure there is some point in your life where you were teased or bulled or heck picked a fight and got your ass kicked. Do you announce that to the world or do you just keep on going. Perhaps you are just brave on the Internet but your incessant chest puffing is clearly from being teased in the same way everyone was. Hell us little boys use “fag” as an insult before we even know girls are pretty. If you even read this far I bet you are steaming, so let me flip this around. Everything I said above is what people are thinking even if they are staying quite and if you act like this in person this is true in your normal life and not just on the Internet. The power to change this rests in your hands and it is up to you as to if you keep cowering to the bulling of middle school or step up and become an adult. You aren’t fooling anybody and as I mentioned before this includes yourself. Seriously, the only thing anyone is asking for you to do is to treat your fellow human being as…wait for it…human beings. Delusions about conspiracies and \*victimhood ideology \* won’t change that fact. Unless you are a sociopath who jacks off to his Jeffrey Dahmer pictures every night this is pretty easy to see. But you have to man up and get past the fear that you learned in the middle school gym locker room to learn this. It’s your choice but it doesn’t seem like that has worked out that well for you so far. It would seem silly to just keep on doing the same thing. The best part is that you don’t need to change your political party to do any of this, just aim to be more like John Wayne and a lot less like John Wayne Gacy. Right now we can all see the clown shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/288 "2018-09-28T06:48:37Z")
Nope, I just get fed up with left wing idiocy. Also I get fed up with idiocy involving sex. The latter crosses both sides of the political aisle, but applies to liberals especially because they weaponize it with the result that women live angry, unhappy, victimized lives. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/289 "2018-09-28T06:51:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope, I just get fed up with left wing idiocy. > > Also I get fed up with idiocy involving sex. > > The latter crosses both sides of the political aisle, but applies to liberals especially because they weaponize it with the result that women live angry, unhappy, victimized lives. Ironically if you treated women as humans you wouldn’t be fed up with sex. Liberals don’t even factor in this, how about tying to be a good American? ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/290 "2018-09-28T07:01:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > with the result that women live angry, unhappy, victimized lives. So telling you that you’re a fuckwit means I’m victimized? Surely you can see how irrational and plain nuts that is? 😃 Silly sausage. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/291 "2018-09-28T07:11:45Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Ironically if you treated women as humans you wouldn’t be fed up with sex. > > Liberals don’t even factor in this, how about tying to be a good American? I am a good American. I see female co-workers to their cars at night. (I get castigated for that on this board, btw). Because I live nearby I give them my number so if they have car trouble trying to leave work after I have they can get immediate assistance and don’t have to sit long in a dark, empty parking lot alone late at night. I treat them with respect and consideration. I’m cheerful and good-natured and I am friendly with them without hitting on them, telling them dirty jokes, or making sexually related comments. I’m quick to help if I see a woman in need, i.e., flat tire, struggling to get a large object into their car at the mall, etc. I’d wager that I generally treat women better than most of the men here, and am also more pleasant to be around. I have many great friendships with women, and my best friend is a woman I’ve known for 53 years. And if you’ll re-read what I said you’ll note that I said I was fed up with idiocy involving sex, not sex itself. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/292 "2018-09-28T07:15:01Z")
> [@blob](#): > > So telling you that you’re a fuckwit means I’m victimized? Of course! Didn’t I just say that? Oh, wait…no, I didn’t. No $100 for you! Again. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/293 "2018-09-28T07:20:03Z")
Yep also notice how he cries about “victimization” when that is actually the primary aspect of his bitching. To bad I have to balance my pity for his paranoia with the very real cost to society caused by man-children’s fear of inadequacy. Living with such paranoia based on myths must be a pretty lonely place for a self pity party. The fact that they are willing to throw other Americans under the bus merely because they are too afraid to do the right thing is their own fault though. it isn’t like SA hasn’t had the chance to open a book over the past few years. “Equal Rights is scary so I don’t care if you are raped – WAA liberals” has got to take a lot of emotional capital to maintain if a person is going to maintain any sort of belief that they are even close to a halfway decent person. If only the power structure was different as they are unwilling to even try to be good citizens. It is shitty that every “myth and monster” that they are afraid of typically ends up costing some group of fellow Americans dearly. If only we could build a golden brick road so he could skip down it repeating “negros and liberals and women - OH MY!!” maybe he could find his courage. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/294 "2018-09-28T07:22:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I treat them with respect and consideration. No, you don’t. Thinking that if you flung them to the ground, covered their mouth and tried to rip their clothes off is not that serious is neither respectful nor considerate. Try telling just one of them your opinion and see what happens. I dare you. Better yet, tell your employer and see if you are allowed to continue with your “white knight” routine. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/295 "2018-09-28T07:25:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I am a good American. > > I see female co-workers to their cars at night. (I get castigated for that on this board, btw). Because I live nearby I give them my number so if they have car trouble trying to leave work after I have they can get immediate assistance and don’t have to sit long in a dark, empty parking lot alone late at night. I treat them with respect and consideration. I’m cheerful and good-natured and I am friendly with them without hitting on them, telling them dirty jokes, or making sexually related comments. I’m quick to help if I see a woman in need, i.e., flat tire, struggling to get a large object into their car at the mall, etc. I’d wager that I generally treat women better than most of the men here, and am also more pleasant to be around. I have many great friendships with women, and my best friend is a woman I’ve known for 53 years. > > And if you’ll re-read what I said you’ll note that I said I was fed up with idiocy involving sex, not sex itself. Bullshit you are not a good American because you don’t give a crap about freedom and desire control. White knighting by walking co-workers to their cars serves your own vanity and insecurities as you refuse to address the reason the have to. You are using your fears to maintain that power over them because apparently you lack the ability to tell when a women likes you and have to fear rape. I don’t doubt that you _think_ you treat them better. But you are coddling is dehumanizing them. If you had even a modicum of respect for them you would want them to be treated as equals and not as pets. Women don’t want to destroy men, they just want us to quit protecting people who keep raping them. If you are a good person there is no rational way to justify it and it absolutely wouldn’t be accomplished by protecting potential rapists from having their day in court. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/296 "2018-09-28T07:33:40Z")
Haha I missed the “I have negro friends so I can’t be racist” tope applied to women Pro Tip: Feeling threatened leads people to overestimate the importance of past actions Putting women on a pedestal is not respect, you may cherish women and value them greatly, but that is not respect or treating them as an equal. Is is un-American to do so too. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/297 "2018-09-28T07:39:16Z")
Also I bet if it was you who needed someone to walk you to the car to be safe that you wouldn’t be quite so tired of the sex thing. While you will dismiss me as a “liberal” for saying this. That is the pisser about privilege, when you have it you don’t see it. No one is asking you to apologize for being a man as you had no choice in the matter. The same is true for them and what they are asking for is equal protection under the law. If we didn’t protect rapists and allow them to avoid court these public displays wouldn’t be needed. This is how this type of cowardliness is self-fulfilling. Women are not provided the same protections under the law so they have to resort to methods that are outside of that system which is frankly less fair for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/298 "2018-09-28T07:45:19Z")
Kinda stalk-y too. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/299 "2018-09-28T07:49:10Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Bullshit you are not a good American because you don’t give a crap about freedom and desire control. You may not be surprised to learn I think this is horseshit. > [@rat\_avatar](#): > > White knighting by walking co-workers to their cars serves your own vanity and insecurities as you refuse to address the reason the have to. No, actually it makes them feel safer and happier that they don’t have to brave our parking lot alone late at night. Some have wondered out loud why more guys aren’t like me. Women face threats and fears that men don’t have to contend with. Assisting them with those threats and fears makes perfect sense and has nothing to do with vanity, which is left wing spin and has nothing to do with reality. > [@rat\_avatar](#): > > You are using your fears to maintain that power over them because apparently you lack the ability to tell when a women likes you and have to fear rape. I can’t make heads nor tails out of this. > [@rat\_avatar](#): > > I don’t doubt that you _think_ you treat them better. But you are coddling is dehumanizing them. If you had even a modicum of respect for them you would want them to be treated as equals and not as pets. More liberal spin, more liberal bullshit. Seeing a woman safely to her car at night hardly equates to making her a pet. And while women are equal to men in many ways, they aren’t equal in all ways. If they were, there’d be no reason for them to find walking alone to their cars in the dark to be a potentially dangerous activity. > [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Women don’t want to destroy men, they just want us to quit protecting people who keep raping them. Have you been drinking? When have I said women want to destroy men? What rapist have I defended? > [@rat\_avatar](#): > > If you are a good person there is no rational way to justify it and it absolutely wouldn’t be accomplished by protecting potential rapists from having their day in court. What charges precisely do you think a potential rapist should be facing should he somehow find himself lacking my alleged protection and actually having his day in court? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/300 "2018-09-28T07:50:31Z")
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