# Starving Artists thinks attempted rape is not "all that serious" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855 "2018-09-24T20:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/301 "2018-09-28T07:53:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > there’d be no reason for them to find walking alone to their cars in the dark to be a potentially dangerous activity. they are working with a rape apologist who creepily wants to “protect” them from other rapists… When there are people with such offensive opinions that attacking women is not that serious, of course being escorted by such a person is potentially dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/302 "2018-09-28T08:17:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You may not be surprised to learn I think this is horseshit. Prove me wrong, convince me that intentionally failing to offer citizens equal protection of the laws is not important to our country’s ideals. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, actually it makes them feel safer and happier that they don’t have to brave our parking lot alone late at night. Some have wondered out loud why more guys aren’t like me. Women face threats and fears that men don’t have to contend with. Assisting them with those threats and fears makes perfect sense and has nothing to do with vanity, which is left wing spin and has nothing to do with reality. > > More liberal spin, more liberal bullshit. Seeing a woman safely to her car at night hardly equates to making her a pet. And while women are equal to men in many ways, they aren’t equal in all ways. If they were, there’d be no reason for them to find walking alone to their cars in the dark to be a potentially dangerous activity. You keep bringing politics into this but Bill Clinton is just as guilt. The fact that the Republicans were so focused on a consensual extra-marital affair to find the evidence at the time is immaterial to this fact. The claim that put women on a pedestal has nothing to do with political party or ideology either. “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others” > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Have you been drinking? When have I said women want to destroy men? What rapist have I defended? Nope I was referencing this gem “Clearly it’s because women have been taught to react this way by leftist victimhood ideology, starting in the late sixties.” It is you who is living under a _victimhood ideology_ if you could get off of your cross, we could use the wood. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What charges precisely do you think a potential rapist should be facing should he somehow find himself lacking my alleged protection and actually having his day in court? Let me quote Section 1 of the 14th Amendment for you just in case your memory is a bit rusty. > [@](#): > > Amendment XIV > Section 1. > **All persons born or naturalized** in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; **nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law** ; **nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.** The clearance and arrest rates for rape are shockingly low in this country. Primarily due to the pervasiveness of rape acceptance myths like the ones you are so convinced are true despite all evidence. If your mother, sister or daughter was raped wouldn’t you want her to see justice? If you, your father or your son was accused of rape wouldn’t you want them/your to have a chance to defend themselves? Because of these rape myths they are under reported, because of these rape myths they are rarely investigated, and because of these rape myths they are rarely prosecuted. Lets say pretend I buy your claim that many of these claims are false or unfounded. If it goes through the courts which have a presumption of innocence it is far more likely that a malicious claim will be discovered. But when you remove the legal system as an option people will use other methods to find relief and in modern times that means going to the media. The media does not have the requirement surrounding an assumption of innocence nor standards of evidence. The problem is that you are lying to yourself. You are not at risk of being a victim you are playing the victim and you are doing so purely out of myths and fear. This is the basis of my claim that your actions are un-American, you are throwing the victims and the accused to the media do to your insecurity. It actually doesn’t matter at all what the percentage of false claims is for this to be true. Your victimization mindset is denying all parties from the protections of due process which leads to two possibilities. 60,000 women, children and yes even men are being raped each year without justice or 100’s of men are thrown to the wolves in the media without access to legal counsel and due process. As you seem to try and be a good person I doubt that this is with malice but our forefathers made it quite clear that doing nothing in the face of injustice is just as evil. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/303 "2018-09-28T08:47:30Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > But those movies made zillions of dollars, and I do not recall any hand-wringing over the messages in them. Maybe the ‘Porky’s’ movies, but not Animal House, Stripes, Revenge of the Nerds, ‘Weird Science’ where some nerdy boys made a woman who would have sex with them, or about a hundred other movies based on teenage ‘hijinks’. > > And it wasn’t just men harassing women in those movies. There were a number of movies that featured women seducing underaged boys. Risky Business was just the first that came to mind. And it wasn’t just about sex. Cheech and Chong made a career out of showing how funny it was to do drugs. It was overall a much more free-wheeling time. And the ‘sexual revolution’ and feminists back then were very different. Commercials celebrated women who ‘dared to wear short-shorts’. A Gremlin commercial had a woman smiling when a guy pulled up and said, “Hey toots - where’s the other half of your car?” A very young Brooke Shields informed us that she doesn’t wear panties under her Calvins. Panty commercials had women wearing tight pants walking by ogling men, and the women turning to the camera and saying that her panties made it look like she was wearing nothing at all. Commercials for pantyhose showed women walking by construction workers who hooted and whistled at them, and the message (to women) was that if you wore their pantyhose and a short skirt, maybe men will do the same for them. > > I could go on. Let’s not forget that the ‘sexual revolution’ and the empowerment of sex for women was a feminist message then. You clearly never read Ms magazine in those days or listened to conversations among my friends and female relatives. There was plenty of objections. We were scoffed at as prudes. Plus the heated argument with my then-boyfriend about the rape in _Revenge of the Nerds._ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/304 "2018-09-28T08:55:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I am a good American. > > I see female co-workers to their cars at night. (I get castigated for that on this board, btw). Because I live nearby I give them my number so if they have car trouble trying to leave work after I have they can get immediate assistance and don’t have to sit long in a dark, empty parking lot alone late at night. I treat them with respect and consideration. I’m cheerful and good-natured and I am friendly with them without hitting on them, telling them dirty jokes, or making sexually related comments. I’m quick to help if I see a woman in need, i.e., flat tire, struggling to get a large object into their car at the mall, etc. I’d wager that I generally treat women better than most of the men here, and am also more pleasant to be around. I have many great friendships with women, and my best friend is a woman I’ve known for 53 years. > > And if you’ll re-read what I said you’ll note that I said I was fed up with idiocy involving sex, not sex itself. You treat women posters on this board like they don’t exist. Every single one who posts on these topics says that your approach on these issues is not only wrong, but disgusting. And that doesn’t give you any pause at all. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/305 "2018-09-28T09:09:50Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > You clearly never read Ms magazine in those days or listened to conversations among my friends and female relatives. There was plenty of objections. We were scoffed at as prudes. > > Plus the heated argument with my then-boyfriend about the rape in _Revenge of the Nerds._ I feel compelled to add other details of that time. I was frighteningly naive when I went off to college. I frequently found myself - put myself, if you insist - into very uncomfortable situations with men my age. I had not the words or sense of self to voice my objections until in a similar position as Dr. Blasey Ford, although not by force. When I finally did, I was met with frustration and disappointment, but **never** with threats or violence. All of these men - of age 19 to 21 - sighed and backed off. To my memory, all saw me safely to my car or home with no further advances. I say all this to say, it was by _no means_ assumed universally, or even commonly, that anything short of kicking and screaming is consent. I can’t imagine any of them putting their hands over my mouth and turning up the music to hide my screams for help. Even in the freewheeling 70s, most of the time no meant no. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/306 "2018-09-28T10:18:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You treat women posters on this board like they don’t exist. Every single one who posts on these topics says that your approach on these issues is not only wrong, but disgusting. And that doesn’t give you any pause at all. As I will keep repeating as often as is necessary: it’s actually worse than that. He doesn’t treat them like they don’t exist, he claims that they are brainwashed and that’s the only reason anyone disagrees with him. He has literally said this. Stop engaging him. Whether he’s trolling or mentally ill, there is no value in trying to convince him that he’s wrong after a statement like that. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/307 "2018-09-28T10:45:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Anyone can PM me at anytime, but if I’m to make a choice I’ll need to know something of the nature of your idea first. Fair enough. PM incoming. I wanted to get your consent before doing so (and I say that without trying to reference or make a pun of the subject matter). ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/308 "2018-09-28T10:56:16Z")
Fair enough as well, but I’m hitting the sack now so it’ll be a while, likely tomorrow night, before I respond. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/309 "2018-09-28T11:26:43Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > Even in the freewheeling 70s, most of the time no meant no. How do you feel about **Starvie** [using you as a cover](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21235824&postcount=113)against accusations of misogyny? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/310 "2018-09-28T11:39:28Z")
Why should she care, she obviously meant for it to be read. And in the Pit, no less. Your thinking sometimes doesn’t seem like…thinking. But, no surprise there. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/311 "2018-09-28T12:29:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Why should she care, she obviously meant for it to be read. And Charmin _meant_ for toilet roll tubes to be used for holding bogroll. Doesn’t stop _you_ from sticking your dick in there, does it? > [@](#): > > But, no surprise there. Like it’s no surprise you’re still posting more than an hour after your last “Grandpa needs a nap” post? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/312 "2018-09-28T13:41:43Z")
SA, despite the inevitable futility, I’m going to try to help you understand why so many people are pissed off with your way of thinking. Say you want to buy a car. Do you A) Look for one that was built in the 50’s, because they really knew how to build cars back then, or B) Look for something newer? If you answered A, do you realize how hard it would be to properly maintain it? Parts aren’t made for it any more. You have to go to junkyards and hope they have the same model that’s still serviceable. Or, you have to find a vintage car collector and convince him to sell you the part you need. It will be tremendously expensive. Bottom line is, you have to devote virtually your entire spare time and income to maintaining it, and in doing so, you deprive yourself of modern technology that would be much easier and less costly to maintain. You’re doing the same thing with your moral values. They don’t work in today’s society. You’re devoting your life to maintaining obsolete values that don’t work for this time period. You may look like a sturdy monolith in your own eyes, but everybody else sees a piece of garish junk. Blame it on liberals all you want, but no society remains static for long. Remember when we outlawed slavery, despite pushback from the old values contingent? It’s like that. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/313 "2018-09-28T13:44:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, and one more thing…Bill Clinton[COLOR=“Black”]![/COLOR] > > You know. Much worse than Kavanaugh. Sober use of force. Rape to orgasm. Brutal, brusing kiss? Put some ice on that? Bimbo eruptions? > > Remarks? Reasons for the left’s silence? Bueller? Anyone? > > I’m still hearing crickets! > > Or is all this pro-feminist outrage merely politics? That’s different. Those women are slut cum-buckets who deserved to be dragged through the mud. On the other hand, women who accuse Republican of sexually assault are almost certainly telling the truth and every effort must be made to get to the truth of the matter. This whole thing is political circus. If this was to replace Clarence Thomas instead of Kennedy, we would not be hearing about a 35 year old sexual assault allegation that allegedly occurred while Kavanaugh was a minor. Those are some thin straws to be grasping at. The Democrats are burning a lot of bridges and crossing a lot of Rubicons with this one but the fact of the matter is that this nominee is likely the 5th vote in favor of narrowing the scope of a constitutional right to an abortion and that’s a fight worth burning bridges over. I suspect that Kavanaugh will get confirmed and the next time the Democrats hold the senate and the presidency, they are going to pack the court. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/314 "2018-09-28T13:58:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That’s different. Those women are slut cum-buckets who deserved to be dragged through the mud. On the other hand, women who accuse Republican of sexually assault are almost certainly telling the truth and every effort must be made to get to the truth of the matter. > > This whole thing is political circus. If this was to replace Clarence Thomas instead of Kennedy, we would not be hearing about a 35 year old sexual assault allegation that allegedly occurred while Kavanaugh was a minor. Those are some thin straws to be grasping at. > > The Democrats are burning a lot of bridges and crossing a lot of Rubicons with this one but the fact of the matter is that this nominee is likely the 5th vote in favor of narrowing the scope of a constitutional right to an abortion and that’s a fight worth burning bridges over. I suspect that Kavanaugh will get confirmed and the next time the Democrats hold the senate and the presidency, they are going to pack the court. Having watched yesterday’s travesty of a hearing, I’m not so sure it’s the Democrats doing the bridge-burning here, but if you feel Republicans can get along perfectly fine without the female vote, knock your bad self out. As for your hypothetical about Democrats packing the court, that’ll be perfectly OK, because that’s what the Republicans would do, right? ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/315 "2018-09-28T15:55:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You may not be surprised to learn I think this is horseshit. > > No, actually it makes them feel safer and happier that they don’t have to brave our parking lot alone late at night. Some have wondered out loud why more guys aren’t like me. Women face threats and fears that men don’t have to contend with. Assisting them with those threats and fears makes perfect sense and has nothing to do with vanity, which is left wing spin and has nothing to do with reality. > > I can’t make heads nor tails out of this. > > More liberal spin, more liberal bullshit. Seeing a woman safely to her car at night hardly equates to making her a pet. And while women are equal to men in many ways, they aren’t equal in all ways. If they were, there’d be no reason for them to find walking alone to their cars in the dark to be a potentially dangerous activity. > > Have you been drinking? When have I said women want to destroy men? **What rapist have I defended?** > > What charges precisely do you think a potential rapist should be facing should he somehow find himself lacking my alleged protection and actually having his day in court? Maybe judge Kavanaugh? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/316 "2018-09-28T16:03:24Z")
Sandusky, too! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/317 "2018-09-28T16:06:02Z")
Starvie got a three-day suspension for not knowing when to shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/318 "2018-09-28T16:21:29Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > … There is something deeply wrong with you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/319 "2018-09-28T17:14:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nope, I just get fed up with left wing idiocy. > > Also I get fed up with idiocy involving sex. > > The latter crosses both sides of the political aisle, but applies to liberals especially because they weaponize it with the result that women live angry, unhappy, victimized lives. Interesting. So anyone who has “a problem” with rapists, is a left wing idiot? Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/320 "2018-09-28T17:17:58Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Having watched **yesterday’s travesty of a hearing** , I’m not so sure it’s the Democrats doing the bridge-burning here, but if you feel Republicans can get along perfectly fine without the female vote, knock your bad self out. > > As for your hypothetical about Democrats packing the court, that’ll be perfectly OK, because that’s what the Republicans would do, right? Oh those fuckers “packed the court” alright, then Mitchell, their “special guest prosecutor lady” looked like she MIGHT go off-script and actually be HONEST, they took over again. It was a shit show from start to finish, and they intended it to be a shit show. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=17)