# Starving Artists thinks attempted rape is not "all that serious" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855 "2018-09-24T20:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/61 "2018-09-25T02:50:00Z")
> [@black\_rabbit](#): > > It would be nice if he were around to explain it, but he’s really busy right now. A lot of people think that living alone and unloved while eating microwave ravioli in friont of the TV would leave you with ample free time, but they’d be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/62 "2018-09-25T02:51:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, and one more thing…Bill Clinton[COLOR=“Black”]![/COLOR] I don’t get the point here. Yeah, fuck Bill Clinton, too. It’s not relevant right now, but, yeah, fuck him and his horndog ways. He’s every bit a jagoff, if not moreso. I don’t see how that makes any difference in regards to the current conversation re: Kavanaugh and what he did. Fuck that guy, too. I’m glad I’m raising my daughters now, rather than in the period where this sort of shit was just unmarked upon and par for the course. Fuck your rosy colored view of the past. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/63 "2018-09-25T02:52:42Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Were you asleep during the 90s. > Quit deflecting, a wrong committed by one person does not give another person the right to commit a wrong. Why do think it does? > > P.S. Clinton isn’t trying to get on the Supreme court. Gahhh! So little time, so much dumbassery!!! I don’t think it does! I’m not saying Clinton’s wrongs give anyone else the “right” to commit some other wrong, what I’m saying is that the outrage over Kavanaugh seems phony and manufactured given the same people’s benign reaction to Clinton’s behavior with and toward women. Either that, or the outrage is merely selective, being tamped down to virtually nothing when Democrats treat women badly and amped up to the skies when a Republican is the miscreant…or even alleged miscreant. Either way, the outrage loses impact when its level is so obviously partisan. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/64 "2018-09-25T02:53:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I shall note that the board’s most mindless, overwrought, hysterical dingaling has advised that I’ll not be missed when gone. > > Now, what do you think about [COLOR=“Red”]Bill Clinton[/COLOR]? > > Why no outrage there? > > Politics, perhaps? Yawn. Call me whatever you want, **Starving “for victims” Artist**. You’re nothing more than a miserable old fuck who will live out the rest of his days lamenting that we don’t live in a time where sexual abuse is hushed up anymore, and women just smiled politely and kept their mouths shut. Why you lament that, well, let’s just say I have my suspicions, \*\*Starving “for chances to discuss child rape” Artist. \*\* And I’m certainly not going to take part in your pathetic attempt to set up a gotcha post later on. You’re a pathetic piece of rotting garbage and I would spit on your grave if ever given the opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/65 "2018-09-25T02:57:47Z")
People have different values and opinions. Getting upset about them not sharing yours is not going to make them change them, however abhorrent they are. I would find it much more useful to just say “I disagree and find that appalling” and leave it at that than try to convince someone that they should have the same opinion and values as you. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/66 "2018-09-25T02:59:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > […] being tamped down to virtually nothing when Democrats treat women badly […] :dubious: Did you not happen to notice what happened to Al Franken? Anthony Weiner? Eric Schneiderman? All successful Democratic politicians who got vigorously kicked to the curb by liberals recently as a result of sexual-abuse scandals about them. Going back nearly a quarter-century to focus on controversies about the Clinton scandals only reveals the weakness of your position when it comes to addressing how conservatives/Republicans and liberals/Democrats deal with sexual misconduct **nowadays**. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/67 "2018-09-25T02:59:24Z")
OH, FFS! I’ll bite. **SA** : Bill Clinton was an ass to cheat on his wife. On the husband front, he fails. And whether you judge a person by one sexual mishap (seems like you would usually forgive any kind of Bill Clinton), he was CiC for 8 years. He had a limit. He was not grilled by Congress and media and appointed to decide the highest court decisions for as long as he wants. This is a bit different when you’re appointing someone who will undoubtedly be judging on cases and law on women’s rights and equal rights. His past matters for this appointment. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/68 "2018-09-25T03:00:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Gahhh! So little time, so much dumbassery!!! > > I don’t think it does! I’m not saying Clinton’s wrongs give anyone else the “right” to commit some other wrong, what I’m saying is that the outrage over Kavanaugh seems phony and manufactured given the same people’s benign reaction to Clinton’s behavior with and toward women. > > Either that, or the outrage is merely selective, being tamped down to virtually nothing when Democrats treat women badly and amped up to the skies when a Republican is the miscreant…or even alleged miscreant. > > Either way, the outrage loses impact when its level is so obviously partisan. What? Are you stupid? I was thourougly outraged at the time. Disappointed and embarassed. If things had of been like they should’ve been, he would have been caught up earlier. But guess who made the rules? Old white guys who felt it was their right to abuse and denigrate woman and people of color. Your days are numbered. Change or get left behind. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/69 "2018-09-25T03:01:36Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I don’t get the point here. Yeah, fuck Bill Clinton, too. It’s not relevant right now, but, yeah, fuck him and his horndog ways. He’s every bit a jagoff, if not moreso. > > I don’t see how that makes any difference in regards to the current conversation re: Kavanaugh and what he did. Fuck that guy, too. I’m glad I’m raising my daughters now, rather than in the period where this sort of shit was just unmarked upon and par for the course. Fuck your rosy colored view of the past. Well, I’m sorry about this, **puly** , because I like you. But why aren’t you stating you’re glad your daughters aren’t growing up in the 90s when shit like Bill Clinton did was par for the course. See? More partisanship! You say fuck Bill Clinton but almost no one from the left did at the time, and no one here so outraged over Kavanaugh (or me, for that matter) uttered so much as a peep about Clinton, either at the time or now. I’ve never been able to detect more than a tiny bit of lip service paid to the wrongful way Clinton behaved toward women, yet people are going utterly ballistic over Kavanaugh, who, even if guilty as charged, is a rank amateur compared to Bill Clinton. The hypocrisy/double-standard is breathtaking. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/70 "2018-09-25T03:02:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Gahhh! So little time, so much dumbassery!!! > > I don’t think it does! I’m not saying Clinton’s wrongs give anyone else the “right” to commit some other wrong, what I’m saying is that the outrage over Kavanaugh seems phony and manufactured given the same people’s benign reaction to Clinton’s behavior with and toward women. > > Either that, or the outrage is merely selective, being tamped down to virtually nothing when Democrats treat women badly and amped up to the skies when a Republican is the miscreant…or even alleged miscreant. > > Either way, the outrage loses impact when its level is so obviously partisan. You do realize that Clinton hasn’t been President for 18 years, right? Attitudes about this behavior have changed since then. Just ask Al Franken. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/71 "2018-09-25T03:04:24Z")
At some point, surely this act passes way beyond the boundaries of “being a jerk.” Can’t we ban this shithead already? Please, pretty please? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/72 "2018-09-25T03:08:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve never been able to detect more than a tiny bit of lip service paid to the wrongful way Clinton behaved toward women […] Then you **really** weren’t paying attention back in the '90s. The reason that people don’t discuss Bill Clinton’s behavior towards women much nowadays is that, as **Moriarty** pointed out, it’s been nearly two decades since Clinton held office. If Bill Clinton were to be, say, nominated for a Supreme Court vacancy, you can rest assured that his past history would be raked over the coals to an extent that would make the scrutiny of Kavanaugh look like a rubber-stamp. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/73 "2018-09-25T03:08:58Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > OH, FFS! I’ll bite. > > **SA** : > > Bill Clinton was an ass to cheat on his wife. On the husband front, he fails. And whether you judge a person by one sexual mishap (seems like you would usually forgive any kind of Bill Clinton), he was CiC for 8 years. He had a limit. He was not grilled by Congress and media and appointed to decide the highest court decisions for as long as he wants. > > This is a bit different when you’re appointing someone who will undoubtedly be judging on cases and law on women’s rights and equal rights. His past matters for this appointment. You seem to be referring to Clinton’s episode with Monica Lewinsky. I’ve been talking about his out-and-out rape of Juanita Broaddrick, who, after he finished, coldly advised her to put some ice on the bruised lip his kisses gave her. (Well, that, and tangentially his treatment of all the other women who came forward to detail his behavior toward them. You may recall the term “Bimbo eruptions,” which was coined to describe the incidents when women would come forward to complain about how he’d treated them.) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/74 "2018-09-25T03:09:11Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > At some point, surely this act passes way beyond the boundaries of “being a jerk.” Can’t we ban this shithead already? Please, pretty please? Oh, you’re just out of popcorn. 😛 Wait until page 43 or 44 of this thread. That’ll happen around noon tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/75 "2018-09-25T03:11:17Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > You do realize that Clinton hasn’t been President for 18 years, right? Attitudes about this behavior have changed since then. Just ask Al Franken. Please point to the posts on this board with regard to Franken that come even remotely close to the abuse currently being hurled toward Brett Kavanaugh. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/76 "2018-09-25T03:13:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I have two words to say about this hysterical, exaggerated nonsense: > > _Bill Clinton!_ > > You people have no room…and by no room, I mean ZERO room…to talk! > > This is all 100% politically motivated. Ford was not harmed. Whatever groping happened, happened over her clothes. There was no skin-on-skin contact and she was able to get away fairly easily. None of this is true of Bill Clinton if we’re to go by the same type of evidence. So where was your outraged screeching then? Hmm? > > Further, impassioned, wrongheaded Democrats all over this country have striven continually to get rapists, wife-beaters and murderers,- especially if they’re from gangs, the worst source of this kind of behavior - released from prison as early as possible, if not off altogether on technicalities. And of course many of these have gone on to commit more actual rapes and more actual murders, and thereby do more actual harm. > > So give me a friggin’ break with your self-righteous howling over this relatively minor incident that very well may not have actually happened. You people actually need someone like me around here to at least try to keep your feet on the ground, your heads out of the clouds, and to at least try to advance the concept of proportionality. > > And someone please get that overwrought, inexplicably self-impressed nitwit, **BigT** , a Kleenex! > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, and one more thing…Bill Clinton[COLOR=“Black”]![/COLOR] > > You know. Much worse than Kavanaugh. Sober use of force. Rape to orgasm. Brutal, brusing kiss? Put some ice on that? Bimbo eruptions? > > Remarks? Reasons for the left’s silence? Bueller? Anyone? > > I’m still hearing crickets! > > Or is all this pro-feminist outrage merely politics? “Or is all this pro-feminist outrage merely politics?” 😕 > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I shall note that the board’s most mindless, overwrought, hysterical dingaling has advised that I’ll not be missed when gone. > > Now, what do you think about [COLOR=“Red”]Bill Clinton[/COLOR]? > > Why no outrage there? > > Politics, perhaps? :dubious: Oh, I get it: _you_ didn’t really care that Bill Clinton may or may not have raped a woman; you were just using it for political gain. So now it’s inconceivable to you that anyone could really care about rape as an issue or event, so the other side _must_ be doing the same thing your side did; right? :rolleyes: I note with hilarity that you on the one hand are arguing that women should “get over” rape while trying to use something that happened over 20 years ago to justify your own dismally anti-social words and actions. You’re even worse at the “liberal hypocrisy wolfcry game” than **Bricker** is. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/77 "2018-09-25T03:14:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > At some point, surely this act passes way beyond the boundaries of “being a jerk.” Can’t we ban this shithead already? Please, pretty please? So much for the board wanting to hear dissenting opinions, huh? You guys just really can’t brook spirited opposition, can you? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/78 "2018-09-25T03:15:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, I’m sorry about this, **puly** , because I like you. But why aren’t you stating you’re glad your daughters aren’t growing up in the 90s when shit like Bill Clinton did was par for the course. I don’t understand. I _am_ glad they are not growing up then (and I was a Bush supporter/Republican back then, anyway). I though that was implicit in my statement. I am glad they are growing up _now_. I’d probably be even happier if they were growing up twenty years from now. Every year away from the past is better for them. ---
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/79 "2018-09-25T03:18:20Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > At some point, surely this act passes way beyond the boundaries of “being a jerk.” Can’t we ban this shithead already? Please, pretty please? It would be nice to have a literal ostracism here— say, conducted by a monthly poll— for people who haven’t formally broken any rules but nevertheless are worthless fucks the board would be far better without. I mean, does anyone honestly think that Starving Artist has contributed anything in his tenure here (or on earth, for that matter)? He’s too stupid and humorless even to be an effective troll. There’s literally no reason to keep him here. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/80 "2018-09-25T03:18:37Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > “Or is all this pro-feminist outrage merely politics?” 😕 > :dubious: > > Oh, I get it: _you_ didn’t really care that Bill Clinton may or may not have raped a woman; you were just using it for political gain. So now it’s inconceivable to you that anyone could really care about rape as an issue or event, so the other side _must_ be doing the same thing your side did; right? > > :rolleyes: > > I note with hilarity that you on the one hand are arguing that women should “get over” rape while trying to use something that happened over 20 years ago to justify your own dismally anti-social words and actions. > > You’re even worse at the “liberal hypocrisy wolfcry game” than **Bricker** is. As I’ve already said, the reason I’m bringing up Clinton is to highlight the hypocrisy and double-standard that comes into play regarding the outrage should the miscreant be Democrat vs. Republican. And the reason I’m doing that is because it makes the anti-Kavanaugh outrage seem phony…or at the very least, manufactured. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=5)