# Starving Artists thinks attempted rape is not "all that serious" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855 "2018-09-24T20:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/81 "2018-09-25T03:19:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Please point to the posts on this board with regard to Franken that come even remotely close to the abuse currently being hurled toward Brett Kavanaugh. :dubious: In case you’ve forgotten, allegations of sexual assault against Franken first surfaced last November 16 and Franken announced his intention to resign barely three weeks later on December 7, after the scandal raged across the internet. And mind you, this was after Franken immediately apologized for his acts of sexual assault and harassment, which were relatively mild compared to what Kavanaugh is said to have done. So I don’t think you have a leg to stand on when it comes to accusations of hypocrisy about the Franken case. His fellow liberals and Democrats were outraged by his unacceptable behavior toward women, and rapidly kicked him to the curb on account of it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/82 "2018-09-25T03:20:00Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I don’t understand. I _am_ glad they are not growing up then. I though that was implicit in my statement. I am glad they are growing up _now_. I’d probably be even happier if they were growing up twenty years from now. Every year away from the past is better for them. Okay, my mistake then. I was of the impression you were talking about the much maligned 50s and 60s. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/83 "2018-09-25T03:27:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Okay, my mistake then. I was of the impression you were talking about the much maligned 50s and 60s. I was talking of all of the past until now. I think things have gradually gotten better over time, though we still have a long way to go. To me, American society is certainly better now than it was in the 80s and 90s growing up. I would not want my kids to grow up then, and certainly not before then, either. > [@](#): > > Please point to the posts on this board with regard to Franken that come even remotely close to the abuse currently being hurled toward Brett Kavanaugh. I don’t know. People were pretty angry at Franken. [Here’s the thread when the allegations hit.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=841938) Lots of posters were all over it, including this early quote by **iiandyiii** : > [@](#): > > Until 15 minutes ago, pretty much my favorite Senator. > > What a pathetic apology. Fuck him. Sure, there’s a non-zero chance this is all manufactured, but there’s also a non-zero chance Franken is a lizard person. Fuck all harassers and assaulters; every last one of them. If he’s a tenth of the person I thought he was 15 minutes ago, he’ll give a much better apology and then resign. I find that a pretty stinging rebuke from someone who found Franken his favorite senator up until “15 minutes ago.” No love lost there. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/84 "2018-09-25T03:30:36Z")
> [@Itself](#): > > It would be nice to have a literal ostracism here— say, conducted by a monthly poll— for people who haven’t formally broken any rules but nevertheless are worthless fucks the board would be far better without. I mean, does anyone honestly think that Starving Artist has contributed anything in his tenure here (or on earth, for that matter)? He’s too stupid and humorless even to be an effective troll. There’s literally no reason to keep him here. You are obviously blind to the fact that I’m doing nothing more than what most of the posters to the board’s political threads do, only coming from the other end of the spectrum. I attack and complain about liberals in almost the exact same way that most of the board’s liberal posters attack and complain about conservatives and Republicans. Plus I’m outnumbered about 1,000 to 1 if you take all the anti-right comments here into account. I also curse a great deal less than I come in for. If you can’t take the heat, put me on ignore. Another point I think deserves to be raised is the notion that a poster should somehow “contribute” to the board in order to justify his participation here. Apart from the fact that in my view I contribute quite a bit to the board by way of keeping it from becoming an echo chamber, there’s also the fact that this is a “public” message board, whose purpose for existence is to allow people to post their thoughts and the views. Naturally a certain amount of moderation is required to keep the place from becoming a zoo, but apart from that a person should be allowed to post whatever he wants…even contrasting political views. In other words, nowhere is it written that a poster must be perceived as “contributing” to the board in order to post here. So get over yourself, mmkay? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/85 "2018-09-25T03:33:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > As I’ve already said, the reason I’m bringing up Clinton is to highlight the hypocrisy and double-standard that comes into play regarding the outrage should the miscreant be Democrat vs. Republican. > > And the reason I’m doing that is because it makes the anti-Kavanaugh outrage seem phony…or at the very least, manufactured. Except you don’t have any hypocrisy to rail against except the one in your head. You’re a hypocrite for being upset by something that happened over 20 years ago and trying to act on what you perceive to be an injustice done so long ago. Why do you think you should be held to a different standard than these women? You are a hypocrite, and we don’t have to listen to anything you say. I know you want badly to win this one, but you’ve already lost the fight. You chose the fight, you set the terms of the encounter and then you lost the fight, not least by engaging in the very tactic that you decried in the other side. You are the hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/86 "2018-09-25T03:35:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You are obviously blind to the fact that I’m doing nothing more than what most of the posters to the board’s political threads do, only coming from the other end of the spectrum. So do us all a favor and quote all the posters here who argued that Bill Clinton’s alleged rape was no big deal. Because you aren’t arguing against anyone here or anything anyone here has done; you’re arguing with people that exist only in your head, the same as they’ve been for the past 20+ years. It’s [del]a shame[/del]hilarious that you can’t just get over this and move on with your life, as you advised those women to do. ---
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/87 "2018-09-25T03:36:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … Go fuck yourself, idiot. The reason people dislike you is not because you’re a conservative or a Republican; people dislike you because you’re a fucking asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/88 "2018-09-25T03:38:29Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I was talking of all of the past until now. I think things have gradually gotten better over time, though we still have a long way to go. To me, American society is certainly better now than it was in the 80s and 90s growing up. I would not want my kids to grow up then, and certainly not before then, either. Fair enough. I know that you know which areas I think are worse now, so I won’t bother you with them. I will say that from my POV some things are better and some are worse. The biggest problem I have with things today is that I believe the things that have gotten better could have been accomplished without simultaneously creating the things which I believe are worse. > [@pulykamell](#): > > I don’t know. People were pretty angry at Franken. [Here’s the thread when the allegations hit.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=841938) Lots of posters were all over it, including this early quote by **iiandyiii** : > > I find that a pretty stinging rebuke from someone who found Franken his favorite senator up until “15 minutes ago.” No love lost there. Yes, there were a few people who were angry with Franken, and good on **iiandyiiii** for his stand, but there was nowhere near the anger, venom and outrage aimed at Franken or Clinton either here on the Dope or among the public at large that there has been toward Kavanaugh, and Clinton’s misbehavior is orders of magnitude worse than what Kavanaugh is accused of. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/89 "2018-09-25T03:43:45Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > […] there was nowhere near the anger, venom and outrage aimed at Franken or Clinton either here on the Dope or among the public at large that there has been toward Kavanaugh […] 😕 Franken was literally driven from office as a United States Senator in a matter of weeks by the scandal about his sexual misconduct, and you’re saying that “there was nowhere near the anger, venom and outrage aimed at” him? Nonsense. If Kavanaugh were permanently dropped from consideration as a Supreme Court Justice right now, he still wouldn’t have experienced anywhere near the harsh-retribution-by-popular-opinion that Franken did. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/90 "2018-09-25T03:45:31Z")
> [@Itself](#): > > Go fuck yourself, idiot. No u. > [@](#): > > The reason people dislike you is not because you’re a conservative or a Republican; people dislike you because you’re a fucking asshole. Like I said, I’m behaving the same way the other side does. Most of the political posters here seem every bit as much to be assholes as you perceive me to be. But, as with Bill Clinton’s contretemps, you’re attitude toward their behavior is benign because basically you’re in agreement with them. So I look like an asshole and they seem like normal, everyday, rational, good-hearted people. To those on my side you look like assholes and we’re all normal, everyday, rational, good-hearted people. Funny how that works, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/91 "2018-09-25T03:49:19Z")
Not reporting but pointing out the misuse of the quote tags in the previous post, because I’m guessing it was inadvertent. Maybe a mod can be asked to fix? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/92 "2018-09-25T03:52:32Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 Franken was literally driven from office as a United States Senator in a matter of weeks by the scandal about his sexual misconduct, and you’re saying that “there was nowhere near the anger, venom and outrage aimed at” him? Yeah, this is what I don’t get. He literally went from senator to ex-Senator in a period of a few weeks. Story broke 11/16. Franken says he’s resigning on 12/7. Makes it official on 1/2. How in the hell is that the result of just a few people being angry at Franken? The public was pissed, and he was gone. There’s no double standard there. I mean, come on, it’s Al Franken. Wasn’t he supposed to be like one of the left’s most beloved senators? And yet, come this accusation, he was rightfully driven out ASAP. I don’t see the double standard there. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/93 "2018-09-25T03:53:51Z")
Bill Clinton is being vetted for a seat on the Supreme Court? That’s a bit of a surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/94 "2018-09-25T03:55:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 Franken was literally driven from office as a United States Senator in a matter of weeks by the scandal about his sexual misconduct, and you’re saying that “there was nowhere near the anger, venom and outrage aimed at” him? I’m talking about the behavior of the people on this board, the media, and the public in general. It’s true Franken was driven from office, but from my vantage point here on the right, he was mostly driven from office by conservatives with liberals reluctantly following along as they had no substantive way to demur. As far as Anthony Weiner is concerned, he was driven from office and eventually into jail for compulsive sexual misbehavior with underage girls, which pisses off everybody regardless of their politics. And now I really do have to go. Perhaps I’ll turn off my computer so as not to be tempted by additional provocations. Nighty-night, all. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/95 "2018-09-25T03:56:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I shall note that the board’s most mindless, overwrought, hysterical dingaling has advised that I’ll not be missed when gone. > > Now, what do you think about [COLOR=“Red”]Bill Clinton[/COLOR]? > > Why no outrage there? > > Politics, perhaps? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU SENILE OLD GOAT. Fuck Bill Clinton up the ass with a chainsaw!!! Does that make your micro-wiener hard and drippy? It. Isn’t. About. Bill. Fucking. Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/96 "2018-09-25T03:59:32Z")
Grrr…not. touching. keyboard! Auuggghhhhh!!! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/97 "2018-09-25T04:02:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m talking about the behavior of the people on this board, the media, and the public in general. It’s true Franken was driven from office, but from my vantage point here on the right, he was mostly driven from office by conservatives with liberals reluctantly following along as they had no substantive way to demur. 😕 :dubious: More than two dozen Democratic Senators called on Franken to resign, and you call that “reluctantly following along”? And it was progressive media that kept the Franken scandals active, with subsequent accusations highlighted by, e.g., Huffington Post. “Your vantage point there on the right” sounds like it could benefit from exposure to news media outside the right-wing echo chamber. And by the way, **Starving Artist** , you may want to get in touch with a mod about your (apparently inadvertent) misuse of quote tags to misquote **Itself** in post #90. Doesn’t look like you did it on purpose, but it’s technically a moddable offense. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/98 "2018-09-25T04:02:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And now I really do have to go. Perhaps I’ll turn off my computer so as not to be tempted by additional provocations. And perhaps by some miracle of divine intervention, it will never turn back on again. Oh, wait, he’s got a tablet as well, doesn’t he? Shit. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/99 "2018-09-25T04:04:29Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Isn’t this what the Kavanaugh women did? They put it behind them and moved on to a happy life. > > And it was only when he was up for a public position that demands high moral character, that they stood up, instead of buying into the victim hood mentality that says that they have no reason to talk. > > These women are not behaving like victims. Far from it. What bothers you appears to be their authority, and their exercise of the power their authority brings. Thank you, that is very well said. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Sorry, but I have to ask…don’t you ever get tired of typing “[…]”? WTF is wrong with you? What kind of response is that? Can’t you even deflect decently? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Please point to the posts on this board with regard to Franken that come even remotely close to the abuse currently being hurled toward Brett Kavanaugh. Franken’s no saint, but I don’t recall that he put his hands on anybody - did I miss that? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … Clinton’s misbehavior is orders of magnitude worse than what Kavanaugh is accused of. Okay, I’ll play - you don’t get to refer to “Clinton’s misbehavior” but “what Kavanaugh is accused of”. Both were accused; neither was convicted of a crime; I’m not aware of any incontrovertible evidence in either case. So, no, it’s ‘behavior’ for both or ‘accusation’ for both. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/100 "2018-09-25T04:05:40Z")
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