# Starving Artists thinks attempted rape is not "all that serious" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855 "2018-09-24T20:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/121 "2018-09-25T06:29:29Z")
I detect a small flaw in the title. “ **Starving Artist thinks** …” cite? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/122 "2018-09-25T06:43:50Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You people do realize that if you don’t Pit and antagonize posters your blood pressure might be better off. I am surprised you folks are able to function in the real world. > > And this whining for topic bans or bans for being a “jerk” is sort of sad. Just ignore the dude if he is so triggering. Thanks for the concern. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/123 "2018-09-25T07:16:44Z")
You know what? I don’t give a tinker’s cuss who Kavanaugh, Franken, Clinton et all are. I honestly don’t give a flying fuck. You Americans can fight out whether the Dems or the Repubs are the most/least upstanding citizens in your country… what the fuck ever. But at the end of the day, SA and his cronies are attempting to minimize the effect of sexual assault on ALL women. Not just the ones who have been assaulted by men in official positions of power, but ALL women. Women like me. Women like my best friend. Women like ALL THE OTHER WOMEN WHO POSTED TO THAT OTHER THREAD here in the pit. This is NOT a partisan issue. This is not really all that much to do with Kavanaugh’s nomination. This is accepting that women have a voice to say NO, and enough is enough. And if it brings your fave SC nominee down…then sucks to be him I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/124 "2018-09-25T07:17:12Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: **Starving Artist** , you’ve been reminded twice now in this very thread that the initial accusations about Franken surfaced **last November 16** , and he declared his intention of resigning on **December 7**. > > That’s **three** weeks in between the very start of the scandal and Franken’s formally announcing he would leave office because of it. Not “many”. Not even “several”. Three. > > And public outrage was being loudly expressed at Franken every day of those three weeks. (And his actual resignation on January 2 was only about another three weeks later.) Another thing to point our about Franken and the outrage we had with a Democratic politician’s sex scandal was partly because (mostly for me) he was ACCUSED OF ACTING LIKE A REPUBLICAN! I wanted resignation so when certain burnt-sienna loving troglodytes say we do the same thing with sex scandals, we can at least say we do it without wasting time! 😃 At at no time did Franken say he, with the grace of baby Jesus, would begin a path of healing, or “hey I’m going to family counseling where my loving wife and daughters…” blah blah blah or some shit like that. We have to expect a higher level of decorum when looking at future SC Justices. That decorum should start at all other appointed positions too, so that’s another reason many of us called for Franken’s and other politicians’ resignations. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/125 "2018-09-25T07:57:14Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > You know what? I don’t give a tinker’s cuss who Kavanaugh, Franken, Clinton et all are. I honestly don’t give a flying fuck. You Americans can fight out whether the Dems or the Repubs are the most/least upstanding citizens in your country… what the fuck ever. > > But at the end of the day, SA and his cronies are attempting to minimize the effect of sexual assault on ALL women. Not just the ones who have been assaulted by men in official positions of power, but ALL women. Women like me. Women like my best friend. Women like ALL THE OTHER WOMEN WHO POSTED TO THAT OTHER THREAD here in the pit. > > This is NOT a partisan issue. This is not really all that much to do with Kavanaugh’s nomination. This is accepting that women have a voice to say NO, and enough is enough. > > And if it brings your fave SC nominee down…then sucks to be him I guess. Let me guess: you also think the OJ Simpson verdict cleared the way for men to know they are free to beat and murder their wives. Amiright? It’s a wonder you people can stand up straight given endless exaggerated and burdensome threats to your well-being that you’re constantly piling onto yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/126 "2018-09-25T08:00:36Z")
Dude, hole complete; stop digging. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/127 "2018-09-25T08:06:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Let me guess: you also think the OJ Simpson verdict cleared the way for men to know they are free to beat and murder their wives. Amiright? Don’t give a shit. I’m not American. You can do what the fuck you like with your convicted crims…none of my concern. > [@](#): > > It’s a wonder you people can stand up straight given endless exaggerated and burdensome threats to your well-being that you’re constantly piling onto yourselves. ‘You people’?? Who are you referring to? Women? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/128 "2018-09-25T08:14:30Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Don’t give a shit. I’m not American. You can do what the fuck you like with your convicted crims…none of my concern. Well, that’s refreshing at least. > [@kambuckta](#): > > ‘You people’?? Who are you referring to? Women? Not necessarily. And to the degree I am, certainly not all. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/129 "2018-09-25T08:18:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not necessarily. And to the degree I am, certainly not all. So who? C’mon, blurt it out, you know you want to! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/130 "2018-09-25T08:22:50Z")
Ohhhh, I get! The only girls/women/boys/blokes who should be listened to are those who **don’t** speak up against sexual assault! BINGO, I think I get SA’s lingo now. You are an embarrassment to all decent people. How about you just twaddle off somewhere else? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/131 "2018-09-25T08:29:13Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > So who? C’mon, blurt it out, you know you want to! Actually, I don’t. I need to get to bed so I can get up in time for an appointment tomorrow (or later in the day, to be more accurate). Perhaps some other time. I’ll likely be busy all day tomorrow so perhaps tomorrow night or the next day, if you really want to know. It won’t come as a surprise anyway. And on preview: No, it pertains more to those who adhere to victim ideology. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/132 "2018-09-25T09:14:44Z")
BTW, the reason that attempted rape is topical is the question: _Should a man who attempted rape and then lied about it be appointed to the highest Court in the land?_ Has **Mr. Artist** taken a stand on that issue? When he attempted his rapes, did he, like Kavanaugh, cover the mouths of his victims so their cries couldn’t be heard? > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I was a college student in 1982. I never had to use threats or violence to get laid. Perhaps you were handsome and/or charming. Have you no pity? **Mr. Artist** may be a smelly and/or oafish asshole — shouldn’t he be able to get laid too? There’s a BBQ Pit thread: _Nominations for stupidest Doper_. **Mr. Artist** ’s babblings are so easy to ignore I’m afraid we may have forgotten him there. Someone should bump that thread and check. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/133 "2018-09-25T09:43:16Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > YOU DONT GET TO DECIDE. > > The victim gets to decide how bad an attempted rape is. Jesus Christ, you’re the epitome of the arrogant patronizing male. > > You actually think your opinion matters more. Christ. > > Why is it so fucking important to you that women be able to shake this crap off like it was no big deal? It is a big deal and always has been. The reason women shook it off was because they had little choice. We don’t have to put up with that crap anymore. So sorry that bothers you. Y’know, you’re a mod. You could literally ban this fucker. You could go into his profile, set him to “banned”, and by the time anyone noticed what you did, everyone would be too busy celebrating to give you any shit for it. Right now, he serves two functions: 1. Driving away women (and just decent people in general, but mostly women) 2. Reminding us all of just how fucking morally bankrupt and disgusting modern republicans are. One of those is not something we want. The other is a function served perfectly well by people who also occasionally post something worth reading. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/134 "2018-09-25T10:36:26Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Let me guess: you also think the OJ Simpson verdict cleared the way for men to know they are free to beat and murder their wives. Amiright? > > It’s a wonder you people can stand up straight given endless exaggerated and burdensome threats to your well-being that you’re constantly piling onto yourselves. This tangent proves beyond all reasonable doubt that you are an epic cunt. Did you even fucking read what she wrote? Was the personal nature of what she wrote somehow lost on you? You don’t have to answer that, by the way. Christ, I know I’m a shithead, but you really do take the cake with that retort. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/135 "2018-09-25T10:43:07Z")
I think he’s got enough for a few bakeries by now. Wouldn’t wanna try them, though; who knows what the white stuff on them is. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/136 "2018-09-25T10:50:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Actually, I don’t. I need to get to bed so I can get up in time for an appointment tomorrow (or later in the day, to be more accurate). > > Perhaps some other time. I’ll likely be busy all day tomorrow so perhaps tomorrow night or the next day, if you really want to know. It won’t come as a surprise anyway. > > And on preview: No, it pertains more to those who adhere to **victim ideology.** Those last two words are revealing, and it exemplifies something I pointed out on the #whyIdidn’t report thread. On some level, there’s a perverse instinct to attack vulnerable people, in the same way that a dog instinctively attacks a small child for no apparent reason. It’s just the animal coming out, and beneath the thin veneer of civility, there it is: the savage primate. I’m convinced that we all actually possess this instinct on some level. I think it partially explains things like schadenfreude. However, most of us, through good parenting and being around other good citizens and influences, have learned to suppress these instincts. Most people have replaced these raw instincts with things like empathy and compassion. Humans balance these cooperative instincts like empathy and compassion with our innate competitive instincts, which compel us to go after the weaklings and to drive them out of the tribe so that we can have more space around the campfire and watering hole. It’s interesting that SA used the word ideology, because conservative ideology is one that favors individual competition over collective cooperation. He’s just being the asshole who wants to drive other individuals out of the population so he can take more shit for himself. Whether you’re someone born with a congenital birth defect or a rape victim, “people” like SA don’t care: they’d rather you just not get in their way. They want “victims” to stay out of sight, keep their mouths shut. They have no rights, unless they’re in the upper tax bracket of course. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/137 "2018-09-25T11:36:00Z")
The only “2 sides” relevant to this topic are those who are against assault and those who are for. Accusing people of being lefties and democrats as if that has anything to do with it is, frankly, nuts. (and as a non-american, such an accusation is not only crazy, but ridiculous. Don’t know who all these other blokes are, or what bill clinton did, my “lack of outrage” could be explained by knowing nothing whatsoever about it.) Believing that assault is wrong accords with the criminal law. I’m on the side that thinks the law matters and that you don’t put your hands on ANYONE without permission. The seriousness of an assault, if you are charged and convicted, is relevant only to sentence. It has nothing to do with whether you should be charged. Nor has “some other bloke did worse!” FFS, the only thing worse than the attempted rape justifications is the irrationality of the “arguments” raised. What the hell is “victim ideology”? (don’t try to answer, I have no interest in hearing another barrage of crazy irrationality) ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/138 "2018-09-25T12:32:28Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > [Definitely.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken#Sexual_misconduct_allegations) Nobody’s accused him of anything worse than kissing and handsing, and he wasn’t ripping anybody’s clothes off or making them fear for their lives, but the kissing and handsing were blatantly non-consensual and unacceptable. That’s right, thank you. I have a brother-I-law that does that, so I guess I still tend to view it as loathsome, but not assault. Many thanks. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > There is simply no comparison to the public outrage aimed at Kavanaugh that there was toward Franken. Not even close. That is not true. > [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: **Starving Artist** , you’ve been reminded twice now in this very thread that the initial accusations about Franken surfaced **last November 16** , and he declared his intention of resigning on **December 7**. > > That’s **three** weeks in between the very start of the scandal and Franken’s formally announcing he would leave office because of it. Not “many”. Not even “several”. Three. > > And public outrage was being loudly expressed at Franken every day of those three weeks. (And his actual resignation on January 2 was only about another three weeks later.) > Again, the only explanation for this statement is that you just weren’t paying attention. No, there is another explanation. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Liar. 🙂 > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … you people … He just came right out and said “you people”, didn’t he? > [@asahi](#): > > … there’s a perverse instinct to attack vulnerable people, in the same way that a dog instinctively attacks a small child for no apparent reason. … [Hijack] My dogs tend to be nervous around small children, and avoid them if at all possible. I think they are afraid of hurting them and getting in trouble, probably picking up on my attitude. So, if I can teach a dog to respect vulnerability, I think we can probably do that with our sons. [/Hijack] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/139 "2018-09-25T12:54:38Z")
Guess that whole “don’t be a jerk” rule is purely for ceremonial purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/140 "2018-09-25T13:02:57Z")
**SA** , if you expect both sides to act in the worst manner they can identify for the other side, let’s remember a few things: 1. Your side accused Obama of being Kenyan and Hillary Clinton of running a child sex dungeon in a pizza restaurant. 2. You went to bat for Jerry Sandusky. But, liberals are not going to stoop to such disgusting lengths to say a serial child rapist didn’t do it. You think this tit-for-tat is a good idea? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=8)