# Starving Artists thinks attempted rape is not "all that serious" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855 "2018-09-24T20:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/161 "2018-09-25T22:41:36Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Y’know, you’re a mod. You could literally ban this fucker. You could go into his profile, set him to “banned”, and by the time anyone noticed what you did, everyone would be too busy celebrating to give you any shit for it. > > Right now, he serves two functions: > > 1. Driving away women (and just decent people in general, but mostly women) > 2. Reminding us all of just how fucking morally bankrupt and disgusting modern republicans are. > > One of those is not something we want. The other is a function served perfectly well by people who also occasionally post something worth reading. You have more guts that I do to post that in the Pit. Thanks for the ATMB thread. I wasn’t mentally ready for that, and I’ve seen that the people actually directly affected seem to get better results. (I actually think my posting a thread might have made it where mods were less likely to listen.) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/162 "2018-09-26T00:17:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > 100% of this is in your imagination. > > I said why in the other thread: it makes them strong and it relieves them of a lifetime spent self-identifying as a victim. > > I’d be most happy if women were to DECIDE they’re not going to allow themselves to buy into the victimhood dogma constantly being promoted by the left and to put the wrongs others do to them in the past where it belongs and live a happy life instead. I’d like to paraphrase something that **Girl Wonder** - herself a survivor of sexual assault - said as she read this response over my shoulder: “No one would like us to be able to get past these events and live happy lives more than [the victims] would.” ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/163 "2018-09-26T00:57:46Z")
At work today I was with my training cohort, one white female (51), one wannabe (35–Honey, you’re white and from Bridgeport. You aren’t ‘street.’) black woman, and two black women (20s). I’m a white guy pushing elderly, and can you believe that I was the one defending and understanding the reluctance to report of the women in the news? Ladies, you need to get your sisters to understand. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/164 "2018-09-26T01:01:44Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Sometimes you just need to hit back. But with Starving Artist, it’s pointless. He has these irrational ideas and **nothing** will make him abandon them. I can’t believe that posters have actually engaged in “debate” about whether it is all a republican plot against him that somebody disagrees that you can’t go about molesting woman. You can’t argue with a delusion. It’s pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/165 "2018-09-26T01:19:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I was a college student in 1982. I never had to use threats or violence to get laid. > [@septimus](#): > > Perhaps you were handsome and/or charming. No, we can rule that theory out. This was before we had AIDS. Everyone was having sex back then. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/166 "2018-09-26T01:20:49Z")
> [@blob](#): > > But with Starving Artist, it’s pointless. He has these irrational ideas and **nothing** will make him abandon them. I can’t believe that posters have actually engaged in “debate” about whether it is all a republican plot against him that somebody disagrees that you can’t go about molesting woman. You can’t argue with a delusion. It’s pointless. I don’t think anyone “hits back” with the intention of convincing someone. I for one know he can’t be convinced, or I would have tried in the thread. Convincing him is not the point of this thread. I fucking despise this man. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/167 "2018-09-26T01:38:12Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Sometimes you just need to hit back. > [@blob](#): > > But with Starving Artist, it’s pointless. He has these irrational ideas and **nothing** will make him abandon them. I can’t believe that posters have actually engaged in “debate” about whether it is all a republican plot against him that somebody disagrees that you can’t go about molesting woman. You can’t argue with a delusion. It’s pointless. > [@BigT](#): > > I don’t think anyone “hits back” with the intention of convincing someone. I for one know he can’t be convinced, or I would have tried in the thread. > > Convincing him is not the point of this thread. I fucking despise this man. **BigT** gets it. **StarvingArtist** is a speed bag. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/168 "2018-09-26T02:52:19Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > At work today I was with my training cohort, one white female (51), one wannabe (35–Honey, you’re white and from Bridgeport. You aren’t ‘street.’) black woman, and two black women (20s). I’m a white guy pushing elderly, and can you believe that I was the one defending and understanding the reluctance to report of the women in the news? Ladies, you need to get your sisters to understand. Wait, are you mansplaining how women should be feeling? ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/169 "2018-09-26T02:55:35Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Convincing him is not the point of this thread. So why is anyone engaging with him and “debating” with him and answering his nonsense? What’s the point? No right-minded individual thinks that rape is not serious and no healthy mind gives consideration to whom they would like to rape. He’s the only one who disagrees with that. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/170 "2018-09-26T03:19:17Z")
[speed bag](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s3vE36i8iq0) ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/171 "2018-09-26T03:24:00Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Wait, are you mansplaining how women should be feeling? There is a very sad undertow of women who also blame victims. They live under a rock or are delusional. Or are protecting an abusive man. They can be as vicious as men toward their victimized sisters. I have more hope that they can be taught better. So there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/172 "2018-09-26T03:29:43Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Wait, are you mansplaining how women should be feeling? You know, it’s possible for a man to talk to women about something without “mansplaining.” And it doesn’t sound like he was telling them how _they_ ought to feel, he was talking about how it does not surprise him if other people feel a certain way. As far as this thread is concerned, I think the title should be changed: **Starving Artist thinks any Pit thread calling him out is candy.** ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/173 "2018-09-26T03:40:53Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > There is a very sad undertow of women who also blame victims. They live under a rock or are delusional. Or are protecting an abusive man. They can be as vicious as men toward their victimized sisters. I have more hope that they can be taught better. So there’s that. They need to believe they have escaped assault by more than luck, that there is some benefit to supporting those with power. It’s a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, no different from poor men voting for the party that lowers inheritance and corporate taxes. Blaming victims is not unique to women. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/174 "2018-09-26T03:51:31Z")
> [@blob](#): > > So why is anyone engaging with him and “debating” with him and answering his nonsense? What’s the point? Because it often is enlightening to figure out exactly where his nonsense goes off the rails and what made it crash in the first place. When you turn over the rocks in a **Starving Artist** post, to vary the metaphor a bit, you frequently find some interesting crawling survivals of primitive thought that have a powerful influence on a lot of popular ideology throughout our society. > [@blob](#): > > No right-minded individual thinks that rape is not serious and no healthy mind gives consideration to whom they would like to rape. He’s the only one who disagrees with that. I only wish he were. Sadly, there are a whole lot of other people in the right-wing media echo chamber being fed the same nonsensical talking points about “victim culture” and “witch hunts” and “liberal divisiveness” and “war on men”, etc., that **Starving Artist** so faithfully regurgitates here. ISTM that there is value in thinking seriously about this propaganda and exactly what it gets wrong, rather than just dismissing it as a bunch of stupid fucking assholery not worth talking about. Mind you, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with just calling **Starving Artist** names in the Pit and leaving it at that, if that’s what someone feels like doing: that’s what the Pit is for, after all. I’m just saying that IMHO there are also some valid reasons to pay his illogical rantings the compliment of rational opposition, as Jane Austen put it. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/175 "2018-09-26T04:37:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > On some level, there’s a perverse instinct to attack vulnerable people, in the same way that a dog instinctively attacks a small child for no apparent reason. It’s just the animal coming out, and beneath the thin veneer of civility, there it is: the savage primate. Yeah, no. That’s not how dogs operate. They don’t “instinctively attack small children”. Obviously. No one would have domesticated dogs in the first place if they couldn’t help themselves from attacking children. And they don’t attack for no reason. There’s always a reason. It might be a stupid reason. But if a dog attacks, it’s because he has a reason. And animals - even primates - aren’t “savages” or, on the other hand, “civilized”. They’re just animals. They do animal things. It’s not right or wrong. It’s just what they are. Starving Artist is not an animal. He is garbage that walks like a man. He does garbage things. His mind forms garbage reasons which he expresses with garbage words that leak from his gaping void like a filthy diaper floating on a stream of vomit. He is pollution. He is taint. He is corruption. Of course he thinks attempted rape is acceptable. I mean, it’s just what he is. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/176 "2018-09-26T04:49:05Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Yeah, no. That’s not how dogs operate. They don’t “instinctively attack small children”. In fact, many dogs are instinctively protective of human children, as the kids trigger their “puppy care” reflex. That’s not to deny that some dogs **do** attack children, but attacking children is by no means a universal instinct in dogs. As you point out, such a trait would have been eliminated in selective breeding of dogs by humans pretty quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/177 "2018-09-26T05:33:53Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I don’t think anyone “hits back” with the intention of convincing someone. I for one know he can’t be convinced, or I would have tried in the thread. > > Convincing him is not the point of this thread. I fucking despise this man. Saving Starving Artist is a lost cause. But I think of the young people who might be reading these posts. What might happen to an impressionable mind if they see somebody saying that holding a woman down while you try to tear her clothes is acceptable behavior? Especially if that post goes unchallenged? No, we need to call Starving Artist on his nonsense. We need to point out that he is wrong and no normal person agrees with him. And we need to laugh at him. We need to save that young person who might otherwise grow up to be a Starving Artist. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/178 "2018-09-26T05:43:33Z")
That is _so_ bad. You should be ashamed. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/179 "2018-09-26T07:04:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What might happen to an impressionable mind if they see somebody saying that holding a woman down while you try to tear her clothes is acceptable behavior? > > No, we need to call Starving Artist on his nonsense. **Starving Artist** would be satisfied if people like you were to call him only on what he actually said, instead of on the ridiculous extrapolations and exaggerations that you and people like you constantly engage in. I’ll make you the same offer I made to **IvoryTowerDenizen** when she posted bullshit about what I said: I’ll mail you a check for $100 if you can prove I ever said that holding a woman down while tearing at her clothes is acceptable behavior. I expect crickets to ensue, just like they did when I made the same challenge to her. You people can’t debate these issues honestly to save your lives. If anyone in this thread should feel shame, it’s you and everyone like you who can’t argue or even discuss the issues amongst yourselves without lying about what your opponent has said. ---
**Author:** ![blob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blob/32/489_2.png) [@blob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blob)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855/180 "2018-09-26T07:10:26Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You people can’t debate these issues honestly to save your lives. If anyone in this thread should feel shame, it’s you and everyone like you who can’t argue or even discuss the issues amongst yourselves without lying about what your opponent has said. You are not “an opponent”. You are delusional. You think you have enemies and you make wild accusations about “you people”. Who? Rational people who try to bring you back to reality? Or are you referring to the republicans who are chasing you about? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/starving-artists-thinks-attempted-rape-is-not-all-that-serious/821855.md?page=10)