# State judge orders Pres. Obama to appear 1/26 in person w/ birth cert. to be on Georgia ballot? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 22, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275 "2012-01-22T03:33:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/141 "2012-03-08T19:21:33Z")
It’s an official document that shows where he was born, but that’s not important right now. ---
**Author:** ![LonghornDave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@LonghornDave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonghornDave)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/142 "2012-03-08T19:40:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > One thing to note is that “long form” birth certificates don’t really exist. They aren’t something a normal person gets or needs for any reason whatsoever. A certified copy of a birth certificate is all anyone in America has ever had to use ever. > > The “long form” is simply the archival copy from the state. Not the certified copy they make with the information from the long form. The racist dirtbags who called for his long form were asking for something that no American (as far as I know) has ever had to produce before. > > It’s like if a cop asks you for proof of insurance and demands that you show him the internal document your insurance company keeps on file with your details. The insurance card is supposed to be enough, but the Tea Baggers really don’t want to admit that there is a black president. I was required to provide a long form birth certificate in order to get my passport. I do not know how this differs state by state; however, in Texas a long form certificate does really exist and is something that people have to really use. [Link](http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/faq/txonline.shtm#a20) [QUOTE=State of Texas] What formats of birth certificates are available online? Four formats are available. For each copy of a birth certificate, you will need to specify the format you want. The four formats are: •Standard size (short form or abstract): The most commonly issued format because it satisfies most purposes, including registering a child for school or sports, obtaining a passport for a person born after 1963 if born in a hospital and obtaining a driver license in most states. If the birth record is not available in this format or if the state you live in requires the full size for a driver license, a full-size birth certificate will be issued instead. •Full size (long form): Used most often to obtain a passport for a person born at home and/or before 1964. It’s also typically required for purposes of dual citizenship, Indian Registry and immigration. Because this format contains information that can facilitate identify theft, we recommend that you order this format only when it is required. •Heirloom birth certificate: A specially-designed certificate with an engraved intaglio border, heirloom-quality paper, background security features, and a gold embossed seal. State law prevents issuance of this certificate to persons whose births were established by court order or delayed record procedures. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/143 "2012-03-08T22:36:20Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I just checked out the Freepers, and they are convinced that someone got to the judge: > > [http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2842152/posts](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2842152/posts) > > Birthers are crazy people. Well they certainly seem to believe what they are saying. True believers, they’re dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/144 "2012-03-09T03:33:37Z")
Surely they can see that Obama is a “natural born citizen” under the Constitution? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/145 "2012-03-09T14:32:39Z")
Don’t call us Shirley! ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/146 "2012-03-10T00:22:19Z")
> [@LonghornDave](#): > > I was required to provide a long form birth certificate in order to get my passport. I do not know how this differs state by state; however, in Texas a long form certificate does really exist and is something that people have to really use. > > [Link](http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/faq/txonline.shtm#a20) That’s an entirely different kind of birth certificate altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/147 "2012-03-10T01:08:21Z")
> [@LonghornDave](#): > > I was required to provide a long form birth certificate in order to get my passport. I do not know how this differs state by state; however, in Texas a long form certificate does really exist and is something that people have to really use. > > [Link](http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/faq/txonline.shtm#a20) > [QUOTE=State of Texas] > What formats of birth certificates are available online? > Four formats are available. For each copy of a birth certificate, you will need to specify the format you want. The four formats are: > > •Standard size (short form or abstract): The most commonly issued format because it satisfies most purposes, including registering a child for school or sports, obtaining a passport for a person born after 1963 if born in a hospital and obtaining a driver license in most states. If the birth record is not available in this format or if the state you live in requires the full size for a driver license, a full-size birth certificate will be issued instead. > •Full size (long form): Used most often to obtain a passport for a person born at home and/or before 1964. It’s also typically required for purposes of dual citizenship, Indian Registry and immigration. Because this format contains information that can facilitate identify theft, we recommend that you order this format only when it is required. > •Heirloom birth certificate: A specially-designed certificate with an engraved intaglio border, heirloom-quality paper, background security features, and a gold embossed seal. State law prevents issuance of this certificate to persons whose births were established by court order or delayed record procedures. [/QUOTE] That’s only three. And there’s only three listed on the original site, too. It’s too bad they didn’t say there were five when only listing three, but I suspect the problem here isn’t an attempted shout-out to MPatHG but an actual inability to count. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/148 "2012-03-10T01:17:13Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > That’s an entirely different kind of birth certificate altogether. [deadpan] That’s an entirely different kind of birth certificate [/deadpan] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/149 "2012-03-10T01:40:16Z")
I predict that, for years after Obama leaves office, some of these nuts will be trying this court and that to get everything he ever did reversed on the grounds that constitutionally he never was POTUS, etc., etc. And I say **let**'em crash! ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/150 "2012-03-10T01:45:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Sounds like something you’d see on a dirty rag. Just have to say this is very clever. I can think of three interpretations. On another note, has she consulted Jack Thompson? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/151 "2012-03-10T04:44:50Z")
Looks like I picked the wrong weekend to read the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/152 "2012-03-10T04:59:29Z")
The Constitution – what’s that? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/153 "2012-03-10T11:47:57Z")
It’s the document that defines the foundation of our entire system of government - but that’s not important right now. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/154 "2012-03-11T02:08:24Z")
OK, boys, let’s get some pictures! [http://grassrootsne.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Scene\_at\_the\_Signing\_of\_the\_Constitution\_of\_the\_United\_States.png](http://grassrootsne.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Scene_at_the_Signing_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States.png) [http://racerx.zenfolio.com/img/s2/v1/p465119926-3.jpg](http://racerx.zenfolio.com/img/s2/v1/p465119926-3.jpg) [http://history.esc2.net/history\_grant/images/constitution.jpg](http://history.esc2.net/history_grant/images/constitution.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/155 "2012-03-11T03:28:29Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > OK, boys, let’s get some pictures! > > [http://grassrootsne.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Scene\_at\_the\_Signing\_of\_the\_Constitution\_of\_the\_United\_States.png](http://grassrootsne.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Scene_at_the_Signing_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States.png) > [http://racerx.zenfolio.com/img/s2/v1/p465119926-3.jpg](http://racerx.zenfolio.com/img/s2/v1/p465119926-3.jpg) > [http://history.esc2.net/history\_grant/images/constitution.jpg](http://history.esc2.net/history_grant/images/constitution.jpg) None of those look like gladiator movies to me. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275/156 "2012-03-11T17:22:29Z")
Do you like gladiator movies, **Frank**? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-judge-orders-pres-obama-to-appear-1-26-in-person-w-birth-cert-to-be-on-georgia-ballot/610275.md?page=7)