# State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman Trial Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501 "2013-06-20T20:32:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/181 "2013-06-26T22:47:26Z")
Jane Surdyka’s 911 call was pretty powerful. I’m not sure how much she really heard other than loud voices. It seemed like she added a few details in testimony. She said in cross that she heard the other 911 call and the screams. I think she mixed her first hand memories with what she heard on the 911 call. Not deliberately. It’s how memories work. Her initial statement is more accurate than her later testimony. She seemed very sincere. I’m not sure she added much useful. pop pop pop - one shot and maybe echos? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/182 "2013-06-26T23:03:06Z")
Geez Rachel Jeantel is a very questionable witness. I’m not willing to give credence to her testimony. She’s been caught lying multiple times. Check out her tweets… I feel sorry for her college professors. > **[Star witness in George Zimmerman trial tweeted about court case, getting...](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2349081/Rachel-Jenteal-Teenage-star-witness-George-Zimmerman-tweeted-case-getting-high-showed-court-nails.html)** > > Rachel Jeantel used her Twitter account to occasionally comment on the case saying things like, '16 months later, wowww I need a drink' and tweeted a picture of her 'court nails'. > [@](#): > > When this lie was disclosed in an earlier court hearing back in March, she tweeted a number of things apparently related to the discovery. > > ‘Jus got home n hear wat was going and I’m angry’, she wrote, and ‘remember who cause the funeral to happen keep it 100% Mr. a\*\* hoe…Damn they p\*ssed me off… and I’m sick too “HELL NAW”.’ > > On February 26, the one-year anniversary of Trayvon’s death, she tweeted ‘#RIP Tray’, followed by ‘Omg people calling n praying n sh\*t lol I need a drink smoke and a pray my head killing me right now cannot wait when this day end’. > > Two days earlier, she referred to getting high, drinking, smoking and drink driving: ‘Lol we going to hell for smoke on Sunday I need some more drink,’ one tweet said, then: ‘I hope I dont hit no one tonight lord plz watch my driving’. > > The picture of her ‘court nails’ was posted on Sunday and other tweets hinted towards preparations she was making for her appearance. > > On June 16, a list of seven items she posted included the notations ‘3.get ready for count [sic]’, ‘4.deal with the bull come with it’, ‘5.try to have a natural life’ and ‘7. I’m going need a lot of drinks for dis summer oh lord’, > > On her Facebook page, Jeantel is stated as having attended Miami Norland Senior High School and has ‘studied criminal justice at Miami University’. > > For her job she wrote: ‘My mama n daddy do all the work I just spend it.’ ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/183 "2013-06-26T23:19:12Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Ivan is a witness in a trial. He’s a Russian immigrant who speaks enough English to get by. Due to the challenge of locating a Russian translator and Ivan’s technically acceptable proficiency, the judge rules that he can testify without a translator. However, he often seems confused, and is reluctant to answer. He ends up making a few corrections to his story while on the stand. > > Mikhail is a Romanian-American juror. He doesn’t speak Russian, but he knows what it’s like to grow up under a communist legal system. He also knows what it’s like to try to be understood in a foreign country with limited language skills. He thinks that Ivan is telling the truth, and it’s just that he’s uncomfortable with authority and was just too quick to accept the counsels’ translations of his own broken English. > > Steve is also on the jury, he’s a nurse from Idaho. Steve thinks that Ivan is lying based on his courtroom demeanor, his slightly changing story, and his nervousness on the stand. > > How much are Mikhail and Steve allowed to try and convince each other that their own interpretation of the witness’ testimony is correct? What if it’s not just one throwaway line, but a heated debate? It seems to me that this is the sort of thing juries talk about, but I don’t know. Absolutely. General things like demeanor and nervousness and how it might arise from things like being foreign-born are exactly the kinds of things jurors may discuss with each other. Each juror’s life experience is supposed to inform his deliberations. Any problems arise if we move from the general to the specific. Mikhail saying that someone who grew up in a Communist regime would be nervous in court is fine. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/184 "2013-06-26T23:57:49Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Geez Rachel Jeantel is a very questionable witness. I’m not willing to give credence to her testimony. She’s been caught lying multiple times. > > Check out her tweets… I feel sorry for her college professors. > [Rachel Jenteal:Teenage star witness against George Zimmerman has tweeted about case, getting high and showed off her court nails | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2349081/Rachel-Jenteal-Teenage-star-witness-George-Zimmerman-tweeted-case-getting-high-showed-court-nails.html) I’m pretty sure most college professors are familiar with AAVE (African American Vernacular English), and would have no problem with it being used in a tweet or other social media. You’re not quoting from her thesis proposal here. I’m a high school teacher, and I don’t have any problem understanding the text of her tweets. She reminds me of some of my students, who would do or say all kinds of stupid things, just to get out of presenting a paper to the whole class; I can’t imagine her horror at the thought of having to testify - now on television - in a case like this. Let’s keep in mind that she is not the one on trial here, or as she tweeted “remember who cause the funeral to happen”. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/185 "2013-06-26T23:58:45Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > … She’s been caught lying multiple times. … Concerning matters material to this trial? Just to put one of the lies to rest, > [@](#): > > … it is not considered perjury to lie about one’s age unless age is a factor in determining the legal result …[RIGHT][CITE](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury)[/RIGHT] and this, > [@](#): > > … Earlier this year, government lawyers were forced acknowledge she lied under oath when she claimed the reason she did not attend Martin’s funeral was due to being sick in hospital. > > She admitted today she did not want to go because she didn’t want to see his parents. ‘I felt guilty…I was the last person that talked to their son’, she said. … from your cite, is as likely to make the jury sympathetic as not. Got anything else . . . or is “multiple times” twice? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/186 "2013-06-27T00:05:33Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Got anything else . . . or is “multiple times” twice? In her deposition, she testified that she heard Martin say “Why are you following me?” and Zimmerman reply, “What you talking about?” Today she denied having said that. One of those statements is clearly a lie. When shown page 209 of her deposition, in which she related the words, she claimed that the deposition “didn’t mean anything to her.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/187 "2013-06-27T04:55:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > In her deposition, she testified that she heard Martin say “Why are you following me?” and Zimmerman reply, “What you talking about?” > > Today she denied having said that. > > One of those statements is clearly a lie. > > When shown page 209 of her deposition, in which she related the words, she claimed that the deposition “didn’t mean anything to her.” I thought she said Zimmerman asked what Martin was doing there. Is there more than one deposition? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/188 "2013-06-27T05:20:30Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It’s gonna be fun seeing the prosecution try to claim that it was Zimmerman that “profiled” Martin, with the “CREEPY ASS CRACKER” utterance of Trayvon’s repeated 5 (or was it 8?) times in the testimony, very loudly, for the jury to hear and memorize. What impressed me was DeeDee’s hearing. Not only could she hear the sound of grass she could tell it was wet grass. I’d question her about hearing Martin say “get off”. She originally said she heard this a “little bit” and when asked to repeat it for clarification she did. It’s logical that the person away from the microphone would be fainter and that would be Zimmerman. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/189 "2013-06-27T05:37:42Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > What impressed me was DeeDee’s hearing. Not only could she hear the sound of grass she could tell it was wet grass. > > I’d question her about hearing Martin say “get off”. She originally said she heard this a “little bit” and when asked to repeat it for clarification she did. It’s logical that the person away from the microphone would be fainter and that would be Zimmerman. Why is Zimmerman farther away? GZ would have obviously gotten -closer- as they went from the initial exchange (standing apart) to apparently scuffling (based on the ‘get off, get off’). If they’re scuffling, the headphone & little speaker would be in between their bodies, which would explain why the sound was softer and/or muffled. What I find interesting is that all the witnesses - including Dee Dee, to an extent, although I always thought she’d be pretty much useless as a witness - describe a gradual buildup of the altercation. All the ear witnesses statements sound remarkably unalike a ‘sucker punch to the nose that immediately knocked me down followed by immediately being mounted and head slammed into concrete’. This trial starts when we get to Zimmerman’s statements after the shooting. Oh and come on **hmarvin** ; still waiting for your cite of the ‘George pushed the buttons on his phone at the start of the altercation’ quote. We both agree that’d be quite significant. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/190 "2013-06-27T06:06:00Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Why is Zimmerman farther away? GZ would have obviously gotten -closer- as they went from the initial exchange (standing apart) to apparently scuffling (based on the ‘get off, get off’). If they’re scuffling, the headphone & little speaker would be in between their bodies, which would explain why the sound was softer and/or muffled. Unless they are kissing each other Zimmerman is always going to be farther away from the microphone. > [@DragonAsh](#): > > What I find interesting is that all the witnesses - including Dee Dee, to an extent, although I always thought she’d be pretty much useless as a witness - describe a gradual buildup of the altercation. > > All the ear witnesses statements sound remarkably unalike a ‘sucker punch to the nose that immediately knocked me down followed by immediately being mounted and head slammed into concrete’. what does a sucker punch sound like? Is it similar to wet grass? ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/191 "2013-06-27T06:10:06Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Why is Zimmerman farther away? GZ would have obviously gotten -closer- as they went from the initial exchange (standing apart) to apparently scuffling (based on the ‘get off, get off’). If they’re scuffling, the headphone & little speaker would be in between their bodies, which would explain why the sound was softer and/or muffled. > > What I find interesting is that all the witnesses - including Dee Dee, to an extent, although I always thought she’d be pretty much useless as a witness - describe a gradual buildup of the altercation. > > All the ear witnesses statements sound remarkably unalike a ‘sucker punch to the nose that immediately knocked me down followed by immediately being mounted and head slammed into concrete’. > > This trial starts when we get to Zimmerman’s statements after the shooting. > > Oh and come on **hmarvin** ; still waiting for your cite of the ‘George pushed the buttons on his phone at the start of the altercation’ quote. We both agree that’d be quite significant. FWIW, I appreciated the rawness: “Crazy Ass Cracker” is not something I would expect to hear from a prepped prosecution witness. So while that indicates profiling on behalf of Martin, she comes across as honest, albeit a little fuzzy. I can excuse the white lie about her reason for not going to Martin’s funeral and a little less so her lying about her age. The precise words she heard in the opening moments of the encounter is key, in my opinion. Not sure her changing that around at this point helps the prosecution. Are we going explore the timeline (touched on in opening states) between Zimmerman ending the NEN call and the ending of the DeeDee (sorry, still calling he that) call. That’s [three minutes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin), give or take. What was Zimmerman doing during that time? Walking very slowly back to his vehicle? Is Zimmerman going to testify? Will we get to hear his point of view? (Full disclosure: I’m a lifetime member of the NRA and I fully support right to self defense, lethal self defense. I’m not convinced that this was a ‘good shoot’ but the burden of proof is on the state. As it should be.) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/192 "2013-06-27T07:24:00Z")
Dee Dee said several times that Trayvon was at the mailing area. That statement makes sense to me. I’m pretty sure my old apartment’s mailboxes were covered by a roof. I remember it was in front of the rental office. A big covered area with about 100 boxes. I can see Trayvon seeking shelter from a hard rain under that covered mailbox area. Somebody needs to get a picture of the condo’s common mailbox area and see if it is covered. That could explain the 25 minute gap between the time he left the 7-11 and when he he was seen by Zimmerman at 7:10. If he got caught in a cloud burst then he may have taken shelter by those mailboxes. Anyway, Dee Dee said Trayvon mentioned the mailing area. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/193 "2013-06-27T07:33:39Z")
Once again I agree with Dee Dee that the cops should have identified her much quicker. She even mentioned \*The First 48 \*and Attorney West just looked at her blankly. The homicide detectives always look at the recent numbers dialed from a victim’s cell phone. I’ve seen homicide cops from at least six different cities follow that procedure on _The First 48_. It’s just common sense that you’d check up on recent calls from a cell phone. Yet, the cops didn’t find out about Dee Dee for several weeks. Trayvon’s dad was the one that tracked down Dee Dee. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/194 "2013-06-27T07:43:20Z")
The redirect with Dee Dee is fascinating. Trayvon’s dad and mother had quite the adventure trying to get Dee Dee to come forward. They thought she was a minor and were trying to reach her mom (who was out of the country). They had a heck of a time getting this girl to meet with the Martin’s attorney. Meanwhile the Keystone cops were clueless. I never realized what a cluster fuck it was getting ahold of the person Trayvon was talking too just before he was killed. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/195 "2013-06-27T07:53:49Z")
> [@camille](#): > > I’m pretty sure most college professors are familiar with AAVE (African American Vernacular English), and would have no problem with it being used in a tweet or other social media. You’re not quoting from her thesis proposal here. > > I’m a high school teacher, and I don’t have any problem understanding the text of her tweets. She reminds me of some of my students, who would do or say all kinds of stupid things, just to get out of presenting a paper to the whole class; I can’t imagine her horror at the thought of having to testify - now on television - in a case like this. Let’s keep in mind that she is not the one on trial here, or as she tweeted “remember who cause the funeral to happen”. Something else occurred to me. She was nervous and who knows how much she was lying, I don’t. But, maybe that all affected her ability to communicate well; however, I think there was another factor here… It is not that hard for most blacks to ‘code switch’. But a young nervous girl may have a hard time in this situation because the questioner wants her to retell exactly what was said between her and Trayvon. That is going to be a challenge for the poor girl, because she doesn’t really feel confident speaking the exact way some black people speak to each other when we are alone. The slang can get thick as hell, really, and it is going to be difficult for a young scared girl to really relate it to a room full of people who she thinks won’t understand. So she is trying to on the fly translate some of how they were talking, mumbling in her effort to translate some of the heavier black dialect and slang so that her audience will understand. I am having a hard time myself, trying to explain this. ETA: It struck me hardest when she had to relay things like ‘creepy ass cracka’. And especially when she said, “He said that nigga is following me” or whatever. She struggled with that so much, because she knew that white people don’t really know that we call whites nigga too, the same way we call each other nigga. She knew it would seem weird and the defense would ask her to repeat it, and she was just bracing for all of that, and feeling overwhelmed and nervous about it all. Just my take on it, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/196 "2013-06-27T08:01:16Z")
I understand now why the Martin’s Attorney, Crump is on the witness list. It’s very unusual that he found a witness that the cops didn’t know about. So he’ll be part of this trial. The cell phone records confirm Dee Dee’s phone conversations with Trayvon. But Crump still needs to testify about his involvement in the case and how Dee Dee was found. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/197 "2013-06-27T08:31:39Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Something else occurred to me. She was nervous and who knows how much she was lying, I don’t. But, maybe that all affected her ability to communicate well; however, I think there was another factor here… > > It is not that hard for most blacks to ‘code switch’. But a young nervous girl may have a hard time in this situation because the questioner wants her to retell exactly what was said between her and Trayvon. That is going to be a challenge for the poor girl, because she doesn’t really feel confident speaking the exact way some black people speak to each other when we are alone. The slang can get thick as hell, really, and it is going to be difficult for a young scared girl to really relate it to a room full of people who she thinks won’t understand. So she is trying to on the fly translate some of how they were talking, mumbling in her effort to translate some of the heavier black dialect and slang so that her audience will understand. I am having a hard time myself, trying to explain this. > > ETA: It struck me hardest when she had to relay things like ‘creepy ass cracka’. And especially when she said, “He said that nigga is following me” or whatever. She struggled with that so much, because she knew that white people don’t really know that we call whites nigga too, the same way we call each other nigga. She knew it would seem weird and the defense would ask her to repeat it, and she was just bracing for all of that, and feeling overwhelmed and nervous about it all. Just my take on it, anyway. She didn’t code switch, she mumbled when she had problems with what she wanted (or did not want) to say. She basically mumbled her way out of explaining what Martin was doing when he left the store and she played dumb with the 46 minutes it involved. Martin left the store, magic happened, and he’s at the mail kiosk. She goes from speaking clearly enough to understand her to pure gibberish. This time span represents a huge block of time she would have been on the phone and yet…nothing. She was the prosecutor’s worst nightmare and the defense didn’t make use of this at all. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/198 "2013-06-27T08:53:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Dee Dee said several times that Trayvon was at the mailing area. That statement makes sense to me. I’m pretty sure my old apartment’s mailboxes were covered by a roof. I remember it was in front of the rental office. A big covered area with about 100 boxes. > > I can see Trayvon seeking shelter from a hard rain under that covered mailbox area. Somebody needs to get a picture of the condo’s common mailbox area and see if it is covered. That could explain the 25 minute gap between the time he left the 7-11 and when he he was seen by Zimmerman at 7:10. If he got caught in a cloud burst then he may have taken shelter by those mailboxes. > > Anyway, Dee Dee said Trayvon mentioned the mailing area. He left the 7-eleven at 6:24:32 so it was 46 minutes. I don’t see where she explained anything. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/199 "2013-06-27T09:00:55Z")
She was very evasive about that gap. I found the testimony confusing. I think West said there was a 20 min gap where Dee Dee wasn’t on the phone with Trayvon. But I don’t understand her reluctance to recall more details of their phone conversation after he left the 7-11. That long time gap between leaving 7-11 and getting back to the apartments may never be explained. West impeached her testimony in a couple places. Her answers changed slightly between the Crump interview, the Depo, and then the trial. She’s in for more questions in the morning. I can’t decide if Dee Dee is playing dumb or if she is dumb. I noticed she has a very good memory for dates. Several times she vividly remembered the day of the week, date and even time of events. I’m beginning to wonder if she’s playing the “I’m so confused” card when she doesn’t want to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/200 "2013-06-27T09:20:35Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > She was very evasive about that gap. I found the testimony confusing. I think West said there was a 20 min gap where Dee Dee wasn’t on the phone with Trayvon. But I don’t understand her reluctance to recall more details of their phone conversation after he left the 7-11. That long time gap between leaving 7-11 and getting back to the apartments may never be explained. I missed that she wasn’t on the phone the whole time. It appeared to me she said she was on it the whole time between leaving the store and arriving at the mailboxes. She acted like there was no gap in time to the point where she was adamant about it. I would focus on that because it means Martin walked straight to the malboxes and then after a significant gap in time is now at the cut-through. > [@aceplace57](#): > > West impeached her testimony in a couple places. Her answers changed slightly between the Crump interview, the Depo, and then the trial. She’s in for more questions in the morning. > > I can’t decide if Dee Dee is playing dumb or if she is dumb. I noticed she has a very good memory for dates. Several times she vividly remembered the day of the week, date and even time of events. I’m beginning to wonder if she’s playing the “I’m so confused” card when she doesn’t want to answer. She didn’t grasp the time difference at all. so either she’s lying about something or there is no time gap enroute to the mailboxes. Either way there is a huge gap in time unaccounted for by Martin. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=11)