# State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman Trial Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501 "2013-06-20T20:32:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 121
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2401 "2013-07-17T09:45:21Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Everything we know about the way the world works? What I know about how the world works suggests a gun holstered at the right hip would he drawable when laying on your back. What makes you think otherwise? Or is this another situation where you’re going to ignore the facts because they don’t suit you? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2402 "2013-07-17T11:19:37Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > What I know about how the world works suggests a gun holstered at the right hip would he drawable when laying on your back. What makes you think otherwise? Or is this another situation where you’re going to ignore the facts because they don’t suit you? Projecting again? Your very deliberate avoidance of inconvenient facts is amazingly transparent. I can only wonder who you believe you might be fooling? “Drawable when laying on your back …please don’t bring up Trayvon Martin straddling Zimmerman, having his leg up against his body…please let me pretend that I didn’t leave out the most crucial part…” Martin’s leg was blocking his own ability to see any gun still in the holster,and blocking Zimmerman’s ability to reach for it. If you doubt that, I invite you to act out the scene that Zimmerman has described and that you have described repeatedly. Get someone about 5’7" tall and roughly 200 pounds to lie on their back on the ground. Get someone Approximately 6 feet tall And approximately 160 pounds, to straddle the more portly person on the ground and make the motions of punching smothering and pounding. See for yourself how likely it is that the person on top would leave any gap of any kind between their left leg and and the person on the bottom’s right hip. What will you discover? It is not remotely likely. It is very awkward to be straddling someone. You’re certainly not going to be straddling them making violent moves against them and leaving extra room on either side between your leg and their body. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2403 "2013-07-17T11:48:59Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > If you doubt that, I invite you to act out the scene that Zimmerman has described and that you have described repeatedly. Get someone about 5’7" tall and roughly 200 pounds to lie on their back on the ground. Get someone Approximately 6 feet tall And approximately 160 pounds, to straddle the more portly person on the ground and make the motions of punching smothering and pounding. See for yourself how likely it is that the person on top would leave any gap of any kind between their left leg and and the person on the bottom’s right hip. What will you discover? It is not remotely likely. It is very awkward to be straddling someone. So what happens to an awkward straddler if the guy on the bottom starts bucking like a bronco? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2404 "2013-07-17T11:58:08Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > So what happens to an awkward straddler if the guy on the bottom starts bucking like a bronco? He’d be pushing his body even further into his rider’s crotch, causing the “rider” to clamp down even harder, making reaching the holster even less likely. But according to Zimmerman, he did absolutely nothing at all until he “remembered” he had the gun. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mr-Pookie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed655f/32.png) [@Mr-Pookie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr-Pookie)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2405 "2013-07-17T12:07:41Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > He’d be pushing his body even further into his rider’s crotch, causing the “rider” to clamp down even harder, making reaching the holster even less likely. > > But according to Zimmerman, he did absolutely nothing at all until he “remembered” he had the gun. :rolleyes: Zimmerman didn’t remember the gun. Trayvon told Zimmerman he had it and even pointed it out for him.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2406 "2013-07-17T12:24:40Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Watch the re-enactment. Sorry, but I’m not going to go out searching for evidence to support your claims. That’s your job, not mine. If you choose not to support your claims, that is of course your choice. > [@](#): > > The most obvious to me and others who aren’t scrambling to come up with ways to justify Zimmerman’s actions is the fact that Martin was found with his hands under him. I don’t see how it follows that Zimmerman hit Martin before the police arrived. > [@](#): > > The other evidence is the fact that George Zimmerman has been reported to be a relatively intelligent human being, getting A’s in his classes, being among the best students. So we know for a fact that he’s not mentally challenged. And only someone who is severely mentally challenged, incapable of understanding the most basic physics, the kind of physics a small child understands automatically, could shoot someone in the center of their chest at close range, smelling, hearing and feeling the shot, observing the person they shot announce that they had been gotten, and then falling over on their face, and have any doubt whatsoever that they had successfully “hit” that person for even a moment, much less for all the moments that followed when he climbed on Martin and did whatever it was he did. 😕 I have no idea what your point is here. Did Zimmerman deny shooting Martin before the police arrived? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2407 "2013-07-17T12:29:38Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Martin’s leg was blocking his own ability to see any gun still in the holster,and blocking Zimmerman’s ability to reach for it. That’s different from what **Mr-Pookie** said: > [@](#): > > GZ says he got the gun (from underneath himsel)f before Trayvon had a chance If you want to jump into an exchange, you need to make clear what your own position is. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2408 "2013-07-17T13:13:16Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Oh, THAT ‘sustained pinning and beating’…:dubious: Yes. Do you dispute that it occured? > [@Tollhouse](#): > > It happened AFTER the time gz beat up a cop, who he claimed that he didnt know was a cop (despite the fact the officer stated he took out his badge and identified himself as law enforcement, to which gz told him he didnt care who he was) > and BEFORE he led the Judge to believe he only had $155.00 , when in fact he had 155,000 > oh yea, THAT beating So, if you get into a fight with a cop when you’re 21, it becomes impossible to be pinned and beaten when you’re 28? I learn so much from your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Mr-Pookie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed655f/32.png) [@Mr-Pookie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr-Pookie)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2409 "2013-07-17T13:13:50Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > That’s different from what **Mr-Pookie** said: No, it is different from what Mr. Zimmerman said. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2410 "2013-07-17T13:28:18Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Oh, THAT ‘sustained pinning and beating’…:dubious: > > It happened AFTER the time gz beat up a cop, who he claimed that he didnt know was a cop (despite the fact the officer stated he took out his badge and identified himself as law enforcement, to which gz told him he didnt care who he was) > and BEFORE he led the Judge to believe he only had $155.00 , when in fact he had 155,000 > oh yea, THAT beating Yes, truthful people are cool, and people that don’t tell the truth suck. I saw once, on a TV channel. Hey, **Tollhouse** , remind me: didn’t you once say that George Zimmerman had only one friend? Was THAT a truthful statement? Gee, wouldn’t it be ironic if someday someone mentions that in connection with your veracity? ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2411 "2013-07-17T13:48:01Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Watch the re-enactment. **Stoid** …I’ve differed pretty sharply from you in your interpretation of evidence in this case, and what inferences are reasonable or not. But I think this is the first time I’ve seen you be dishonest as to the literal content of a piece of evidence. I’m disillusioned, here. Your recaps of what Zimmerman said are inaccurate. **Stoid** Version: When Martin said “you got me”, George didn’t think he hit him What Zimmerman Actually Said: “After I shot him, he like sat up…and I didn’t think I hit him, because he sat up and he said, uh, ‘you got me, you got it, you got me’, something like that, so I thought he was just saying 'I know you have a gun now, I heard it, I’m giving up.” **Stoid** Version: When Martin slumped over onto his face in the grass, George didn’t think he hit him. What Zimmerman Actually Said: “I don’t know if I pushed him off me or he fell off me.” ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2412 "2013-07-17T13:49:34Z")
[http://www.nationalreview.com/article/353633/angela-coreys-checkered-past-ian-tuttle/page/0/1?splash=](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/353633/angela-coreys-checkered-past-ian-tuttle/page/0/1?splash=) Here’s an article about Angela Corey that should interest some people. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2413 "2013-07-17T14:38:45Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > What exactly do you think this means? He knew Martin was screaming, he knew people heard it, the 911 recording was just extra. He knew there was no way he could say it was self-defense if he didn’t claim it was him screaming: “yeah, the kid who was beating me up was screaming bloody murder and I had to kill him to save myself - I have no idea why he was screaming like that!” Which is why he started telling people right off the bat that it was him. He also was present for everything else that happened and knew exactly what he had to cover in case it was seen or heard by neighbors to sell his self-defense story. While it wasn’t allowed in court there is a video taken by Martin with his voice on it. ABC News had it analyzed and it indicates Martin is not the person screaming on the 911 call. It supports the logical conclusion that a person being beaten is going to be the one screaming for help. We know who has the injuries and who doesn’t and we know who was on top and who wasn’t. You really have to stretch your belief system to think it was Martin screaming. > [@Stoid](#): > > A beating heart is not the same as someone _ **not hit** _ by the bullet. That was shot from inches away. Dead center. And Martin DID keel over. After stating out loud (supposedly) “you got me”. And Zimmerman claims he didn’t know he’d hit him at all \*\*\*until the police got there. \*\*\* Zimmerman never claimed Martin specifically said “you got me” nor did he say Martin said it loudly nor did he claim Martin keeled over. He said he sat up and said something like “you got me” or “you got it” which is WHY he thought he hadn’t hit him. You keep changing the narrative of what Zimmerman said to fit your own preconceived version of events. It’s odd that you make the claim that Zimmmerman lied when you yourself can’t seem to state things correctly on a regular basis and you have the advantage of reviewing the evidence. He testified for 5 hours plus made a video from memory. After all that the Prosecution wasn’t able to demonstrate he misstated himself. They would have had a field day with you. > [@Stoid](#): > > Really? _ **After** _ a 200 pound guy has been sitting on your back, on your collapsed lungs, on your heart with a bullet in it, for however long. You are still alive, still conscious, and still able to draw both arms under your body. > Yeah, right. Sure. Absolutely. What would make you think Martin drew his hands in while that occurred? How many seconds would it take to check what was in each of Martin’s hands? Maybe 5 seconds if Zimmerman took his time? > [@Stoid](#): > > Man, the contortions you go through to hang on to believing are stunning. Really stunning. You’re the one making up strawmen to knock them down. In your defense I find it hard to believe that Martin was able to sing all the versus to the Star Spangled Banner while bleeding out. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2414 "2013-07-17T14:43:29Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > **Stoid** …I’ve differed pretty sharply from you in your interpretation of evidence in this case, and what inferences are reasonable or not. But I think this is the first time I’ve seen you be dishonest as to the literal content of a piece of evidence. I’m disillusioned, here. Seriously? Zimmerman misremembers everything, but I am actively intending to be dishonest when I say all over the place that I am speaking from memory, please correct me? I’d be shocked, except I’m not. And then, your proof of this unfogivable dishonesty is this? > [@](#): > > **Stoid** Version: When Martin said “you got me”, George didn’t think he hit him > > What Zimmerman Actually Said: “After I shot him, he like sat up…and \*\*\*I didn’t think I hit him, because he sat up and he said, uh, ‘you got me, \*\*\*you got it, you got me’, something like that, so I thought he was just saying 'I know you have a gun now, I heard it, I’m giving up.” The _ **meaning** _ of my description of what he said (never asserted to be an exact quote) and the exact quote are identical: Zimmerman didnt think he hit Martin…even after Martin supposedly said out loud " you got me" > [@](#): > > **Stoid** Version: When Martin slumped over onto his face in the grass, George didn’t think he hit him. > > What Zimmerman Actually Said: “I don’t know if I pushed him off me or he fell off me.” The _ **meaning** _ of my description of what he said (never asserted to be an exact quote) and the exact quote are identical: Zimmerman didn’t think he hit him, even after he (allowed his live, unhurt body to be pushed) (keeled over on his own for no apparent reason.) Good lord… ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2415 "2013-07-17T14:53:46Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Zimmerman never claimed Martin specifically said “you got me” nor did he say Martin said it loudly nor did he claim Martin keeled over. He said he sat up and said something like “you got me” or “you got it” which is WHY he thought he hadn’t hit him. Back up. Physics that a small child would understand Gunbarrel aimed dead center of chest, touching clothes, a few inches from flesh. Trigger squeezed. BOOM…Kickback…heat… Stop. “I didn’t think I hit him” :dubious::dubious::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Everything after is just _ **more** _ confirmation of what he had to already know: not only did he hit him, it was all but impossible to have missed him. That Kool-Aid you’ve been sucking down is damn powerful stuff, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2416 "2013-07-17T14:57:42Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Sorry, but I’m not going to go out searching for evidence to support your claims. That’s your job, not mine. If you choose not to support your claims, that is of course your choice. > > I don’t see how it follows that Zimmerman hit Martin before the police arrived. > > 😕 I have no idea what your point is here. Did Zimmerman deny shooting Martin before the police arrived? I didn’t realize you found English so challenging. That makes it impossible to communicate with you… Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2417 "2013-07-17T14:58:03Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > The _ **meaning** _ of my description of what he said (never asserted to be an exact quote) and the exact quote are identical: Zimmerman didnt think he hit Martin…even after Martin supposedly said out loud " you got me" > > The _ **meaning** _ of my description of what he said (never asserted to be an exact quote) and the exact quote are identical: Zimmerman didn’t think he hit him, even after he (allowed his live, unhurt body to be pushed) (keeled over on his own for no apparent reason.) > > Good lord… It’s amazing that you can’t see yourself making stuff up. You literally changed Zimmerman’s narrative to fit your own. His unhurt body? really, where does Zimmerman say or infer this? He states that because Martin sat up he didn’t think he hit him. How long do you think before he came to the conclusion that he hit Martin? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2418 "2013-07-17T15:04:28Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Seriously? Zimmerman misremembers everything, but I am actively intending to be dishonest when I say all over the place that I am speaking from memory, please correct me? I’d be shocked, except I’m not. > > And then, your proof of this unfogivable dishonesty is this? Then stop speaking from memory and look at the fucking evidence. Your memory, just like Zimmerman’s, is flawed.The difference is, he was required to make his statements and video from memory. You are not. Do what you told **brazil84** to do and watch the video. > [@](#): > > The _ **meaning** _ of my description of what he said (never asserted to be an exact quote) and the exact quote are identical: Zimmerman didnt think he hit Martin…even after Martin supposedly said out loud " you got me" He didn’t say that. He said Martin said something _like_ that, which he took to mean (since Martin was still alive and speaking, not keeled over instantly dead) that he realised he Zimmerman had a gun and was willing to use it. That you believe (falsely) that Martin should be unable to speak after being shot is reason to think Zimmerman might also believe that. Far too many people believe that Hollywood physics and biology (and for that matter, television investigation of crime) is factual. > [@](#): > > The _ **meaning** _ of my description of what he said (never asserted to be an exact quote) and the exact quote are identical: Zimmerman didn’t think he hit him, even after he (allowed his live, unhurt body to be pushed) (keeled over on his own for no apparent reason.) No, it doesn’t mean that. It’s not an eternal, unchanging belief that persisted forever in the face of the observable facts (although it’s clear why you might think a belief would work like that). Do you not think that a clear progression from not thinking that he’d hit him, to wondering what the hell happened, to realising he’d killed him, in the space of a few seconds, is believable? Because it certainly fits the known facts, and it fits the way many people think. We are bombarded with fictional images of gunshot deaths, in films and video games, and to some extent in TV shows. Almost everyone had seen them, but not everyone is aware that they aren’t accurate depictions, and more importantly, even if in calm reflection we realise that they are fictional, in moments of stress we’ll only remember the most prominent things. _Real_ gunshot wounds and deaths are, according to many sources, almost anticlimatic compared to fictional depictions. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2419 "2013-07-17T15:14:38Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > ABC News had it analyzed and it indicates Martin is not the person screaming on the 911 call. Hard to get anything resembling a quality voice sample from the dead guy, one would think. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2420 "2013-07-17T15:15:30Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Seriously? Zimmerman misremembers everything, but I am actively intending to be dishonest when I say all over the place that I am speaking from memory, please correct me? I’d be shocked, except I’m not. Maybe I’m judging you against too high a standard then, given that your sub-debate on this has covered several consecutive posts, and you normally rely on cites and have the facts straight (as I said, it is your _interpretation_ of facts I have differed with, not the facts themselves). That you’d just innocently get the facts wrong hadn’t occured to me, which is actually a compliment. If it was just an error of memory (ironic as that is, in this context), I apologize. > [@Stoid](#): > > And then, your proof of this unfogivable dishonesty is this? > > The _ **meaning** _ of my description of what he said (never asserted to be an exact quote) and the exact quote are identical: Zimmerman didnt think he hit Martin…even after Martin supposedly said out loud " you got me" Martin supposedly said out loud _something like_ “you got me” or “you got it”. He is utterly free of certainty on that point, as the walkthrough makes clear. What about “You got it” would make him think he’d hit Martin? Heck, what about “You got me” is unambiguously “You have shot me, sir” as opposed to “I will now comply with you, armed person”? > [@Stoid](#): > > The _ **meaning** _ of my description of what he said (never asserted to be an exact quote) and the exact quote are identical: Zimmerman didn’t think he hit him, even after he (allowed his live, unhurt body to be pushed) (keeled over on his own for no apparent reason.) > > Good lord… C’mon now, there is a **huge** difference, when arguing that Zimmerman must have known Martin was shot, between him just collapsing onto his face, and Zimmerman pushing him off him as part of an apparent surrender by Martin. Zimmerman never says Martin fell off of him, he says he doesn’t know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=120) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=122)