# State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman Trial Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501 "2013-06-20T20:32:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 132
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2621 "2013-07-19T05:10:46Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > There is no friggin’ evidence, beyond an inference from the phrase, “by his father’s house,” He never said he was by his father’s house. He said he was next to it. and the reason he said this was a qualifier to the reason he didn’t need to run to his father’s house. so yes, there is friggin evidence to where Martin was. It also follows the fact that he lost sight of Zimmerman. He does not again see Zimmerman until 2 minutes later and he is now at the top of the T which is consistent with Zimmerman’s account. If he was always at the top of the T they would have seen each other. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2622 "2013-07-19T05:29:11Z")
Something that didnt occur to me right off the bat, was the possibility that tm could have become disoriented as to where his fathers place was. Apparently he had been staying there for the past week, and anyone can see by looking at the layout of the place that it is very redundant, typical of many of these type of living communities. All the rows of homes pretty much the same especially in the dark, even though it was still very early, it was dark out. Tm was in an environment that he wasnt completely familiar with, and on top of that he was really scared even by gzs description to the police, he was running to get AWAY from gz. Years back I had a friend who lived in a townhome community where the layout of the streets looked pretty similar and all the townhomes have the same cookie cutter design. But that community was nowhere as big as the one tm was killed in. Just looking at a map of it looks kind of like a big maze. Its very possible and I think plausible that tm was mistaken and thought he was closer to his dads place than he actually was. Although apparently there are only three actual streets, but alot of the condos have that cookie cutter design. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2623 "2013-07-19T07:09:06Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > From the same interview > > "First I’d like to readdress your question when you asked if I would have done anything differently… So after several minutes, breaks and probably chats with his lawyer, GZ figures out that what he said was a big no-no. I’m really not sure what to make of the idiotic “God’s plan” quote. I’m not ready to label GZ a heartless bastard despite that he seemed so unconcerned about TM’s death. _ **But anyone who thinks a retraction like this has any probative meaning has simply gone beyond his depth** _. Even if you, **Terr** , claim that GZ is an imbecile who couldn’t deduce the need for such a retraction by himself, _he was sitting right next to his lawyer._ ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2624 "2013-07-19T15:19:03Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Something that didnt occur to me right off the bat, was the possibility that tm could have become disoriented as to where his fathers place was. Apparently he had been staying there for the past week, and anyone can see by looking at the layout of the place that it is very redundant, typical of many of these type of living communities. All the rows of homes pretty much the same especially in the dark, even though it was still very early, it was dark out. Tm was in an environment that he wasnt completely familiar with, and on top of that he was really scared even by gzs description to the police, he was running to get AWAY from gz. Years back I had a friend who lived in a townhome community where the layout of the streets looked pretty similar and all the townhomes have the same cookie cutter design. But that community was nowhere as big as the one tm was killed in. Just looking at a map of it looks kind of like a big maze. Its very possible and I think plausible that tm was mistaken and thought he was closer to his dads place than he actually was. > > Although apparently there are only three actual streets, but alot of the condos have that cookie cutter design. really? He knows where the stores are, he knows where the cut-through is and where the mail box’s are. all he has to do is walk straight back from the mail boxes and turn right. It’s not logical that he was confused over such a short route with obvious visual ques to guide him. As far as being scared, that’s not what the evidence shows. Scared people don’t approach someone they think is suspicious. Martin did it twice. The first time was described by Zimmerman as anything but scared. In fact it sounded aggressive. The 2nd he starts the verbal confrontation with Zimmerman. And he does this after telling Dee Dee that Zimmerman was close. Zimmerman is on a hard surface with a little flashlight out in the open. If Martin was scared he had the advantage of standing behind a privacy fence which each house had. It’s not logical that Martin would deliberately walk out in the open toward someone he can hear and see if he was in fear. You’re ignoring evidence and creating scenarios that help you with a predetermined conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2625 "2013-07-19T15:21:49Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So after several minutes, breaks and probably chats with his lawyer, GZ figures out that what he said was a big no-no. > > I’m really not sure what to make of the idiotic “God’s plan” quote. I’m not ready to label GZ a heartless bastard despite that he seemed so unconcerned about TM’s death. _ **But anyone who thinks a retraction like this has any probative meaning has simply gone beyond his depth** _. Even if you, **Terr** , claim that GZ is an imbecile who couldn’t deduce the need for such a retraction by himself, _he was sitting right next to his lawyer._ Or, his statement about not understand the context of the question was accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Mr-Pookie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed655f/32.png) [@Mr-Pookie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr-Pookie)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2626 "2013-07-19T16:30:39Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Why would you think Martin would not use the can in an assault? Because he didn’t approach GZ and start a conversation with in order to start a fight? ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2627 "2013-07-19T16:57:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Or, his statement about not understand the context of the question was accurate. Here are the original questions again. Note the specific questions being asked (my emphasis): > [@](#): > > HANNITY: Is there anything you regret? **Do you regret getting out of the car to follow Trayvon that night**? > > ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. > > HANNITY: **Do you regret that you had a gun that night?** > > ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. > > HANNITY: Do you feel you wouldn’t be here for this interview if you didn’t have that gun? > > ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. > > HANNITY: You feel you would not be here? > > ZIMMERMAN: I feel it was all God’s plan and for me to second guess it or judge it – > > HANNITY: Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that the time has passed a little bit? > > ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. Now look at his “readdress” of the questions. Note what he says he “thought” was being asked (my emphasis): > [@](#): > > ZIMMERMAN: First, I would like to readdress your question when you asked if I would have done anything differently. **When you asked that I thought you were referring to if I would not have talked to the police, if I would have maybe have gotten an attorney, if I wouldn’t have taken the CVSA** and that I stand by, I would not have done anything differently. Do you really want to argue that the original questions were vague and confusing, or could possibly be mistaken for what he “thought” the questions were? Okay, now recall this portion of the original: > [@](#): > > HANNITY: Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that the time has passed a little bit? > > ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. And now, from the second paragraph of his readdress: > [@](#): > > But I do wish that there was something, anything I could have done that wouldn’t have put me in the position where I had to take his life. I guess not enough reflection time had passed when he was first asked, but miraculously, the moment of clarity had come just before the interview ended, after conferring with his attorney. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2628 "2013-07-19T17:05:47Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Here are the original questions again. Note the specific questions being asked (my emphasis): Now look at **Trollhouse** ’s claim about Zimmerman’s answers that I was responding to: “What normal person would say on national tv, that him shooting and killing a youth was “Gods plan”…” Can you point out in those original questions and answers where Zimmerman said that shooting and killing Martin was “Gods plan”. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2629 "2013-07-19T17:12:44Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Now look at **Trollhouse** ’s claim about Zimmerman’s answers that I was responding to: > > “What normal person would say on national tv, that him shooting and killing a youth was “Gods plan”…” > > Can you point out in those original questions and answers where Zimmerman said that shooting and killing Martin was “Gods plan”. Irrelevant to my point here. Besides, this was asked and answered yesterday. You are being deceptive by not using the full quote (“it was all” God’s plan). ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2630 "2013-07-19T17:21:44Z")
> [@camille](#): > > You are being deceptive by not using the full quote (“it was all” God’s plan). I quoted Tollhouse precisely. That was his full quote. And playing “gotcha’s” with Zimmerman hanging all your hatred of him on one word seems to be all you got. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2631 "2013-07-19T17:35:03Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > And playing “gotcha’s” with Zimmerman hanging all your hatred of him on one word seems to be all you got. LOL. When is your birthday? I’ll buy you a mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2632 "2013-07-19T17:42:21Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Here are the original questions again. Note the specific questions being asked (my emphasis): > > Now look at his “readdress” of the questions. Note what he says he “thought” was being asked (my emphasis): > > Do you really want to argue that the original questions were vague and confusing, or could possibly be mistaken for what he “thought” the questions were? Nope. That’s mighty compelling. I agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2633 "2013-07-19T20:53:08Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > really? He knows where the stores are, he knows where the cut-through is and where the mail box’s are. all he has to do is walk straight back from the mail boxes and turn right. It’s not logical that he was confused over such a short route with obvious visual ques to guide him. > > As far as being scared, that’s not what the evidence shows. Scared people don’t approach someone they think is suspicious. Martin did it twice. The first time was described by Zimmerman as anything but scared. In fact it sounded aggressive. The 2nd he starts the verbal confrontation with Zimmerman. And he does this after telling Dee Dee that Zimmerman was close. Zimmerman is on a hard surface with a little flashlight out in the open. If Martin was scared he had the advantage of standing behind a privacy fence which each house had. It’s not logical that Martin would deliberately walk out in the open toward someone he can hear and see if he was in fear. > > You’re ignoring evidence and creating scenarios that help you with a predetermined conclusion. He was scared, he told DeeDee how scarednhe was and even gz said he was running AWAY…AWAY FROM THE CREEPY CHILD PERVERT…AWAY…AWAY…DID YOU GET THAT? AWAY…But i know, you will say thats not what good ol honest george said…( I dont believe him, he is a liar) ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2634 "2013-07-19T20:55:09Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > He was scared, he told DeeDee how scarednhe was and even gz said he was running AWAY…AWAY FROM THE CREEPY CHILD PERVERT…AWAY…AWAY…DID YOU GET THAT? AWAY… Isn’t it funny how he ran away… away… away… all the way to his house, and then somehow, while running “away…” wound up back at the T? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2635 "2013-07-19T20:55:37Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > He was scared, he told DeeDee how scarednhe was and even gz said he was running AWAY…AWAY FROM THE CREEPY CHILD PERVERT…AWAY…AWAY…DID YOU GET THAT? AWAY…But i know, you will say thats not what good ol honest george said…( I dont believe him, he is a liar) No no, _towards_ him. Else he’d have been at home with his brother, his skittles and fruit juice, and his football game. Maybe Martin was gay. Hell, it makes as much sense as most of the other theories here. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2636 "2013-07-19T21:12:45Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No no, _towards_ him. Else he’d have been at home with his brother, his skittles and fruit juice, and his football game. > > Maybe Martin was gay. Hell, it makes as much sense as most of the other theories here. Basketball game. You LIAR. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2637 "2013-07-19T21:27:02Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [Shows | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html) > > Alternate juror E-54 says he would have voted to acquit. > > In the interview he says that the NEN call was the best evidence for George Zimmerman. He says he saw no profiling or ill will whatsoever. > > He also says that Zimmerman’s injuries were a significant factor in his would-be acquittal decision. > > And, as a lot of people here said, he agrees that DeeDee’s testimony and call times show that most probably Martin went all the way to his father’s house, then returned to the T intersection. At least a rational person would now know why Zimmerman had puncture wounds on his face. After looking at Trayvon’s death photo, he was wearing shoes with pegs on the bottom. These shoes are different than the ones seen at the 7-11. Trayvon must have run home, replaced his shoes, and kicked Zimmerman in the face before mounting him. A dazed Zimmerman thought he was being hit with a brick. They should have tested those shoes for Zimmerman’s blood and DNA. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2638 "2013-07-19T21:29:28Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No no, _towards_ him. Else he’d have been at home with his brother, his skittles and fruit juice, and his football game. > > Maybe Martin was gay. Hell, it makes as much sense as most of the other theories here. Mmm, as I recall gz is the child molester, sticking his fingers where they dont belong and asking little kids to look at his penis. I only wish the girl had asked him why it was so small. Maybe thats why he liked to sling his gun around too, to feel like a bigger man than he really is. He has a long history or preying on those in a more vulnerable position, I hope someday he has to deal with someone his own size instead of a little girl or skinny teenage boy (even det Cerino commented on the fact of tms age and how he was a " skinny kid" … ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2639 "2013-07-19T21:43:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Now look at **Trollhouse** ’s claim about Zimmerman’s answers that I was responding to: > > “What normal person would say on national tv, that him shooting and killing a youth was “Gods plan”…” > > Can you point out in those original questions and answers where Zimmerman said that shooting and killing Martin was “Gods plan”. It is against the rules to call other people trolls outside of the pit. Do not do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/2640 "2013-07-19T22:33:12Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Mmm, as I recall gz is the child molester, sticking his fingers where they dont belong and asking little kids to look at his penis. I only wish the girl had asked him why it was so small. Maybe thats why he liked to sling his gun around too, to feel like a bigger man than he really is. He has a long history or preying on those in a more vulnerable position, I hope someday he has to deal with someone his own size instead of a little girl or skinny teenage boy (even det Cerino commented on the fact of tms age and how he was a " skinny kid" … You recall wrongly then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=131) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=133)