# State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman Trial Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501 "2013-06-20T20:32:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/941 "2013-07-05T16:07:00Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > :rolleyes: Gee, maybe his mom? His dad? his family? I’ve mentioned that before, though it went unanswered. TM was, to quote other members of the board, “a minor, a child, a high school kid.” Who is ultimately responsible for the actions of a minor? The parents. And where were they? When, according to sworn statements, was the last time Tray’s mother _actually_ saw him? Where was his father the night Tray was killed? And since, ya know, they _weren’t around_, when can we expect their trial for negligence? After all, their minor child is dead and he shouldn’t be. > [@](#): > > You may want to leave the last bit to the real comedians, as it’s much funnier when Mr. Williams does it. > > - Honesty I’ll take that into consideration. You might want to leave the eye-rolling bit to DeeDee, though, as it was _much_ funnier when she did it. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/942 "2013-07-05T16:10:50Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > But the body was covered up, and Martin’s hands were under the body. No trace of blood at all is a bit odd… > > But in any event - man, how in the world can the State end up with even the autopsy witness being a complete and utter disaster? Are they -trying- to lose this case? ME is asked if the clothes taken off at autopsy were placed in paper bags. ME: “should be”. Asked if they were. Says he has no idea. Asked if they are ever sealed in plastic bags. Says if anyone did that they would be fired the next day. Fact: they were sealed in plastic bags. So who was fired? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/943 "2013-07-05T16:13:22Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > But the body was covered up, and Martin’s hands were under the body. The body was turned on its back immediately after the police arrived, and left that way. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/944 "2013-07-05T16:15:04Z")
I wish the Orange County M.E. (Dr. G) had done the autopsy. Her staff doesn’t make bush league mistakes like putting wet clothes in plastic bags. Or not bagging the hands. Dr. G knows how to testify correctly too. I saw her testify in the Casey Anthony trial. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/945 "2013-07-05T16:16:40Z")
I know I’m seen as a shill for Zimmerman, but I legitimately feel sorry for the Martin family and the citizens of the State of Florida. If _this_ is why the grand jury was bypassed and the political pressure made a trial necessary, then Jesus, the People deserve better. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/946 "2013-07-05T16:18:55Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Do you have a cite on that? I didn’t know this. Thanks. Did you read the info at Iggy’s link? It’s not the clearest narrative I’ve ever seen, and the site is strongly anti-Zimmerman, but it says: > [@](#): > > Aug. 21, 2009 7:00 p.m. 1371 Rinehard Road, at a Kohl’s Department Store, Sanford, Fla. Caller was George Zimmerman, reference is made to a 1056 compel Silver 2 door BMW, land lord is trying to take compel. money for rent, and home in foreclosure. Complaint lives at Retreat @ Twin Lake Townhouses. 40 minutes later the situation ended. I think the 1056 means that Zimmerman was claiming that the landlord was drunk, and the rest of it seems to indicate that the landlord confronted Zimmerman in a shopping center demanding rent. If Zimmerman had a Silver BMW, then it sounds like the drunk landlord tried to take it. It seems to me that you ought to read a little about this stuff before you make proclamations. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/947 "2013-07-05T16:19:48Z")
If I was the prosecution, and knowing this witness, I would have put him on the stand and given asked only the most limited questions possible to limit the defense’s ability to cross. If this wasn’t a 2nd degree murder trial with a 17yr old kid dead, it’d be hilarious… ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/948 "2013-07-05T16:25:20Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > If this wasn’t a 2nd degree murder trial with a 17yr old kid dead, it’d be hilarious… So true. After the verdict, the headline should read “From Tragedy to Travesty.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/949 "2013-07-05T16:26:46Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > He’s the ME who performed the autopsy. Do you really think they would have been able to argue their case _without_ putting on him on the stand? We are dealing with the real world here. And in the real world, sometimes you get unpredictable personalities. But it was a rousing success for the prosecution! [/you with the face] ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/950 "2013-07-05T16:30:01Z")
I meant to say that initially Martins’ hands were under the body, and that the body was covered up after CPR efforts etc were stopped. > [@Terr](#): > > The body was turned on its back immediately after the police arrived, and left that way. Yes - but the body was covered up. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/951 "2013-07-05T16:31:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But it was a rousing success for the prosecution! > [/you with the face] Once in a while I glance at Leatherman cheering section. They thought the ME testimony so far was a devastating blow to the defense. Seriously. It’s hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/952 "2013-07-05T16:32:54Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Yes - but the body was covered up. And how long were the hands exposed to the rain? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/953 "2013-07-05T16:35:47Z")
… and now some talking heads are implying that the notes contain some Brady materials. Which would be a disaster for prosecution. Will see I guess if that’s true. In general, this ME is an unexpected wonderful gift to the defense. They thought it would be just cut/dry description of the wounds. Instead its is slapstick comedy, and the prosecution is the one that is being slapped. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/954 "2013-07-05T16:42:37Z")
Is “Brady materials” a legal term? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/955 "2013-07-05T16:43:06Z")
I can’t see how even the most strident Martin supporter that thinks Zimmerman should burn in hell for all eternity could watch this slow-motion car-wreck and think that the state has even one good moment so far. None, zero, zilch. The defense hasn’t even presented yet and they still have a shutout. At this rate they could probably get Martin convicted of a felony and get Zimmerman awarded a medal for bravery and valor. I think ZImmerman is guilty of manslaugher / reckless homicide, but even I think this trial has been an absolute joke. No way Zimmerman is convicted; based on what I’ve seen purely at the trial I’d question our jury system if he was convicted. But boy, gotta hand it to Florida; you’re nothing if not consistent. In addition to your lovely ‘shoot first, ask questions later’ laws, you also appear to have a laughingly incompetent state prosecution office, if this and the Casey Anthony trial are any indication. Your tax dollars at work! I’m glad I don’t live in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/956 "2013-07-05T16:46:48Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > But boy, gotta hand it to Florida; you’re nothing if not consistent. In addition to your lovely ‘shoot first, ask questions later’ laws, you also appear to have a laughingly incompetent state prosecution office, if this and the Casey Anthony trial are any indication. Your tax dollars at work! I’m glad I don’t live in Florida. That’s one possible interpretation. Another is that this is what a prosecution based on insufficient evidence and demanded by politics looks like: desperate and fumbling. This might be close to the strongest case the prosecution could have made, considering how little evidence they had, and how clearly the people who actually investigated the crime concluded that Zimmerman was most likely innocent, or at least couldn’t be proven guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/957 "2013-07-05T16:47:48Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Is “Brady materials” a legal term? > > Regards, > Shodan [_Brady_ disclosure](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_disclosure) ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/958 "2013-07-05T16:48:26Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > English motherfucker, do you speak it? Does ‘run’ mean something different to you? I realize this is from _Pulp Fiction_, but it’s still inappropriate. **Everyone** — lots of posts in this thread are running close to, if not actually being over the line. Mind your p’s and q’s. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/959 "2013-07-05T16:49:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Is “Brady materials” a legal term? > > Regards, > Shodan I think anyone somewhat familiar with the legal system knows what Brady material is. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/960 "2013-07-05T17:01:46Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > It seems to me that you ought to read a little about this stuff before you make proclamations. I made no such thing. I simply asked a question. - Honesty [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=49)