# State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman Trial Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501 "2013-06-20T20:32:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/141 "2013-06-26T15:56:55Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > It’s [official](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591091-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-jury-can-hear-zimmermans-previous-non-emergency-calls-to-dispatchers-judge-rules/): Jury can hear Zimmerman’s previous non-emergency calls to dispatchers. Great boost for the prosecution. \ This is like a football game: Rah! Rah! Go Team! So, proving that Zimmerman regularly called the police about a variety of incidents, about people of a variety of ethnicities, without attacking a single one of them, helps the prosecution how? If the prosecution want to show Zimmerman’s previous good character, that’s up to them I guess… ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/142 "2013-06-26T16:00:54Z")
Is this supposed to prove some kind of racism on Zimmerman’s part? If so, perhaps the defense will mention that, on the NEN call about Martin, Zimmerman made no mention of race until he was asked for a description of Martin. Perhaps some of the other calls are similar. And **Honesty** , we are still waiting for a cite for your claim that Zimmerman is on anti-psychotics. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/143 "2013-06-26T16:09:57Z")
Neighbor witness Manalo: claims that Zimmerman was on top based on the pictures she saw later (even though she does say the one on top wore darker clothes - which would be Martin). Defense on cross exam finds out that she is basing that on two pictures: one “hoodie” pic showing Martin’s face only, and another pic of Martin in football uniform taken when he was 14. When asked about that, she says “Maybe I’m wrong.”. Ya think? ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/144 "2013-06-26T16:19:57Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > So, proving that Zimmerman regularly called the police about a variety of incidents, about people of a variety of ethnicities, without attacking a single one of them, helps the prosecution how? If the prosecution want to show Zimmerman’s previous good character, that’s up to them I guess… I think I highlighted the reasons in my previous posts why it’s bad. He used the same exact terminology in the Trayvon Martin call that he did with these calls. Listen to the tapes, it’s almost like a meditative, Buddhist mantra: “There’s a suspicious person here” “I don’t know what his deal is” “I’ve never seen him before” “We’ve had a lot of break-ins in our neighborhood recently,” “I think he’s up to no good” etc etc etc. The urgency of Zimmerman’s phone call against Trayvon will be diminished when it’s brought out to light that he began many of the phone calls with the same scripted phrases in other calls. When you boil his calls down to the nitty-gritty, you find that he was just calling anyone who _he_ felt didn’t belong there, not that they were doing anything wrong or that he actually witnessed a crime. Given that this complex has hundreds of people living in it how can he make that judgement when only 25 people showed up to the Neighborhood Watch meeting? There was a poster who asked about Zimmerman’s other calls. So far, we know that 7 calls out 30 were regarding black men, so already we’re damn near approaching 25%. That’s already out of proportion of the black population (11%) that live in Seminole County. So, let’s hope they play _all_ the tapes for God’s sake so that we can really determine whether he profiled people not. I have a hunch that out of those 30 phone calls, _no one_ was caught or arrested. This is precisely why Zimmerman was so frustrated when he called the police that day he murdered Trayvon Martin. Indeed, “Those fucking punks” and “they always get away” matches the narrative. He wanted to ensure this phone call didn’t end up like the last 29 phone calls, so that’s why he got out of his car, for him, this was personal. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/145 "2013-06-26T16:33:02Z")
I really, really hope the prosecution argue they way you do, **Honesty**. The judge will barely be able to stop laughing long enough to dismiss the case. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/146 "2013-06-26T16:41:23Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > When you boil his calls down to the nitty-gritty, you find that he was just calling anyone who _he_ felt didn’t belong there, not that they were doing anything wrong or that he actually witnessed a crime. … > > He wanted to ensure this phone call didn’t end up like the last 29 phone calls, so that’s why he got out of his car, for him, this was personal. Actually, if you read the [information previously released about Zimmerman’s prior calls to 911](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-history-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html), you will note that Zimmerman reports things like potholes, open garage doors, lost children (that’s one of those where Zimmerman gives the race of the missing child - what a racist), and loud parties. It also appears that, as I thought, the reason Zimmerman mentions race is in the context of giving as complete a description as he can. Notice he also mentions, as would be expected, what the suspects were wearing. Note also that there were 46 calls in something like seven and a half years. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/147 "2013-06-26T16:48:37Z")
I also note that the last call that Zimmerman made before the night he shot Martin was the call that one of Zimmerman’s neighbors describes as having caught a prospective burglar ([cite](http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/04/03/zimmermans-neighbor-perfect-storm-caused-shooting)), that the burglar in that case was a black male, and that, of the eight previous burglaries reported to the SPD, four were attributed to black males, and the other four, no race could be determined. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/148 "2013-06-26T16:55:43Z")
I’m not sure why the state wants to bring the previous 911/NEN calls into evidence, to be honest. Don’t really see how they’re evidence of anything. I suppose they’re trying to show that he only made ‘suspicious activity’ calls on black males, but that’s not even an issue - we know that he thought Martin specifically was ‘suspicious’, I don’t think George is disputing that at all. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/149 "2013-06-26T17:03:53Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > This is like a football game: Rah! Rah! Go Team! Not really, and the attempts to make it into one are extremely depressing. ---
**Author:** ![toyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@toyo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toyo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/150 "2013-06-26T17:04:47Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > There was a poster who asked about Zimmerman’s other calls. So far, we know that 7 calls out 30 were regarding black men, so already we’re damn near approaching 25%. That’s already out of proportion of the black population (11%) that live in Seminole County. The Retreat at Twin Lakes is 20% black and Sanford, Florida is 30.5%. > [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Consider the possibility that he turned down “citizen on patrol” because he would have been subjected to a background check. Zimmerman has a concealed weapons permit. I doubt he was concerned about a background check. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/151 "2013-06-26T17:32:43Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > … I have a hunch that out of those 30 phone calls, _no one_ was caught or arrested. This is precisely why Zimmerman was so frustrated when he called the police that day he murdered Trayvon Martin. Indeed, “Those fucking punks” and “they always get away” matches the narrative. He wanted to ensure this phone call didn’t end up like the last 29 phone calls, so that’s why he got out of his car, for him, this was personal. > > - Honesty Again, based upon my experience in another jurisdiction, it would not be unusual at all for no one to be arrested in relation to a mere 30 suspicious activity/suspicious person calls. Those calls rarely result in an arrest. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/152 "2013-06-26T18:09:38Z")
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**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/153 "2013-06-26T18:17:59Z")
It’s nice to see everyone again. The same folks saying the same stuff, of course. I haven’t changed my opinion either. The prosecution will be extremely lucky if they are able to create reasonable doubt in the jury’s minds that Zimmerman defended himself. I don’t think they’ll be able to do it. If the judge did her job this case would be thrown out like an F-Bomb from Trayvon. ---
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/154 "2013-06-26T18:20:40Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > It’s [official](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591091-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-jury-can-hear-zimmermans-previous-non-emergency-calls-to-dispatchers-judge-rules/): Jury can hear Zimmerman’s previous non-emergency calls to dispatchers. Great boost for the prosecution. \ This is like a football game: Rah! Rah! Go Team! A lot of the things the prosecution and their supporters believe are boons, end up boots in the ass of their own case. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/155 "2013-06-26T18:28:40Z")
Dee Dee now coming to the stand. Good god I pity the poor court transcriber. She’s going to be a trainwreck of a witness. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/156 "2013-06-26T18:30:42Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Dee Dee now coming to the stand. Good god I pity the poor court transcriber. She’s going to be a trainwreck of a witness. Gotta agree with you there. Her transcript is going to sound like a cross between her tweets, and bad rap music. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/157 "2013-06-26T18:31:57Z")
Oh, this is going to be so great. The “star” witness of the prosecution. This is literally laughable. ---
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/158 "2013-06-26T18:37:41Z")
“Creepy ass cracker” Oh man, that is so classic. I love it… I am loving this moment. OMG… Let the truth come out. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/159 "2013-06-26T18:39:01Z")
“Creepy ass cracker”. LOL. Let’s see - who’s the racist? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501/160 "2013-06-26T18:43:33Z")
Let’s see how her testimony compares to her previous statements. And if she has figured out how old she is. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-trial-thread/661501.md?page=9)