# State of the Nation: WE'RE SERIOUSLY FUCKED \[long\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2002, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717 "2002-10-03T18:10:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/141 "2002-10-08T12:18:39Z")
**Duckster** : Yes, point taken. Already. Sheesh. Withstanding my opinion, do you agree? Earl Warren? I don’t think they’ll make the same mistake again; think Thomas, the conservative parrot. Gueeche indeed. **Andros** : The one it applies to. Did you think it was a two hour silmulpost? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/142 "2002-10-08T12:29:43Z")
:still sitting waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over here in the ‘liberal but not a fucking lunatic’ section, having a nice Chablis. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/143 "2002-10-08T14:20:06Z")
**Wring** , you wonderful wallflower, you. Brie, too? Different strokes for different folks, and all that. **Hlujarn** : Apologies! I’ve been rather neglect in thanking you for your good will. It’s well appreciated! And welcome to the board. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/144 "2002-10-08T14:21:31Z")
Ace: The “Republicans” have been given your home address. They will be “visiting” you soon to discuss the error of your “liberal” ways…😉 ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/145 "2002-10-08T14:22:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > \*\ ***Wring** , you wonderful wallflower, you. Brie, too? > > Different strokes for different folks, and all that. > . \*\* FInished the Brie a long time ago - this is, after all, a three page clusterfuck. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/146 "2002-10-08T14:34:51Z")
Hey, **Vanilla**! 🙂 I’ll be on the lookout for The Black Helicopters. I’ve posted Chomsky’s literature at the four corners. Will that keep them at bay, or do I need to sandbag with Stupid White Men? **Wring** : Clusterfuck? Come, come, now. It’s a cogent give-and-take with occassional interruptions from squalling children… Okay, frequent interruption… Okay, it’s mostly squalling children with occassional interruptions from the give-and-take. But clusterfuck? Oh, fine! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/147 "2002-10-08T14:57:20Z")
See, the thing is, when you call people who disagree with you “squalling children”, it seriously detracts from your credibility. Again, it 's not so much the message of the OP that people take exception to, it’s the hysterical, out-of-control tone. If you had focused your anger into a tight, white-hot rant of coherent fury, you’d have gotten, I’ll warrant, a much more positive reaction. Moreover, if you engaged your critis nstead of making pointless ad hominems, you would get mote respect. As it is, nobody, NOT ONE PERSON, not even the liberals who ought to be in your corner, are supporting you. If you fail to see that you are putting off more people than you convert, we’ll have to consider you the **His4Ever** of the lefties. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/148 "2002-10-08T15:10:46Z")
Ace0Spades: you are a card. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/149 "2002-10-08T15:26:22Z")
Ace0Spades: you are a card. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/150 "2002-10-08T16:10:04Z")
**Gobear** : That there is a panoply of squalling children is mere accurate statement, and reflective of the unfortunate quality of my opposition, as you are well familiar. If they did not want to be dismissed, they should not squall; nor should they beg for coherent sensibility as they are utterly wanting on that score. Their position is infantile; their motives transparent; their posts are dismissible. They have reaped what they have sown; That they came ill-equipped for such a battle is not my concern. As for the handful of posters with valid and reasoned criticisms, I have endeavored to treat both sides of the aisle with alike respect and more address, as is my wont. Which brings us to you. Thank you for elevating your humorous rhetoric to the almost sensible, but please note: Infrequently do I take advice from those hypocrites who have neither my viewpoint nor best interests in mind. Good day, Ace ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/151 "2002-10-08T16:11:57Z")
**Vanilla** : Literally 😉 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/152 "2002-10-08T17:35:19Z")
Once again, Ace, I have to laugh. You’re standing in the sandbox, jumping up and down screaming that the other kids are immature. And you put your fingers in your ears and cry “neenerneenerneenerIcan’thearyou” whenever anyone points it out to you. You don’t have the high ground, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself you do. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717/153 "2002-10-08T17:47:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > \*\ ***Duckster** : Yes, point taken. Already. Sheesh. Withstanding my opinion, do you agree? Earl Warren? I don’t think they’ll make the same mistake again; think Thomas, the conservative parrot. Gueeche indeed. > \*\* Well, there was also Blackmun, and more recently Souter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-nation-were-seriously-fucked-long/130717.md?page=7)