# State of the Union thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 2, 2022, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322 "2022-03-02T03:09:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/61 "2022-03-02T18:38:05Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Haven’t found a link yet, but apparently, 78% of Americans approved of Biden’s SOTU address. This is the part that drives me nuts. So many people support the things Democrats want to do, right up until it comes to actually voting Democrats into offices that will let them do those things… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/62 "2022-03-02T18:38:24Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I listened to a good part of it but its like the speechwriters for this didn’t even listen to the POTUS. > > And Gov. Kim Reynolds is such a ferret-faced liar I can only put up with so much. Ironic that they chose her on the day it was reported that a state auditor ordered her to return $450,000 in covid money that she misused. [https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/auditor-iowa-gov-reynolds-return-450k-covid-funds-83182550](https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/auditor-iowa-gov-reynolds-return-450k-covid-funds-83182550) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/63 "2022-03-02T19:06:41Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > That is the RW talking point of the year: the border is out of control and criminals are running rampant. Whether this has any connection to reality is to be determined. It doesn’t. The borders are not “open”. Violent crime is down, although there was a uptick recently. Pretty much all their talking points are lies. Open Borders- **lie** Crime is rampant- **lie** Election was stolen- **lie** Critical Race Theory is being taught in our primary schools- **lie** (and they don’t even know what CRT is, anyway) The Democrats want to Defund the Police- **gross exaggeration.** Inflation and gas prices are Biden’s fault- gross exaggeration. > [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > t’s kinda like Drew Carey used to say, “Welcome to the Republican response to the State of the Union, where their talking points are made up and the facts don’t matter.” Yep. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > So fine, be a bunch of haters I don’t see that here. No one, even Joe himself, would say he is a orator on the level of Obama. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/64 "2022-03-02T19:15:29Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > These two definitely made pigs of themselves. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > As for the silly bitches These two are ignorant bully wannabees. They deserve many insults. Still I think we do ourselves no favors when we default to calling them “pigs” and “bitches”. Surely we can come up with more creative insults that do not resort to sexism? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/65 "2022-03-02T19:42:31Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > These two are ignorant bully wannabees. They deserve many insults. Still I think we do ourselves no favors when we default to calling them “pigs” and “bitches”. > > Surely we can come up with more creative insults that do not resort to sexism? Well, “bitch” certainly, and agreed. But I don’t see “pig” as sexist or gendered. Trump is a pig in a bunch of ways. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/66 "2022-03-02T19:44:24Z")
Moderating: Let’s all refrain from using specific gender-based insults. Thanks. ETA: And let’s not derail the thread with a debate over whether “pig” is a gender-based insult. It is not. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/67 "2022-03-02T19:49:17Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > > [@Ziberian](#): > > > > conservatives think Boebert & MTG are heros > > Please stop using “conservatve” incorrectly Please explain. I’m using conservative (yes, it probably should be 'C’onservative) to describe the group of people who support Trump and people like MTG & Boebert, et al. It’s a common term for this group, and I don’t know of a better description. How am I using it incorrectly? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/68 "2022-03-02T19:57:58Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Surely we can come up with more creative insults that do not resort to sexism? What’s sexist about calling them pigs? Now if I had called them sows, you’d have a point there. And we’ve discussed elsewhere that “bitch” may or may not be mysoginist depending on the context. Is this a particularly gender-specific context? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/69 "2022-03-02T19:58:30Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > So many people support the things Democrats want to do, right up until it comes to actually voting Democrats into offices that will let them do those things… And then they blame the Democrats for not doing the things they wanted to do after they voted them out of office. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/70 "2022-03-02T20:03:48Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Surely we can come up with more creative insults that do not resort to sexism? How about “fish-faced Enemy of the People?” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/71 "2022-03-02T20:05:50Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > > [@DSeid](#): > > > > Surely we can come up with more creative insults that do not resort to sexism? > > How about “fish-faced Enemy of the People?” - The Innsmouth Party. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/72 "2022-03-02T20:13:18Z")
[quote=“running\_coach, post:71, topic:960322, full:true”] > [@silenus](#): > > > [@DSeid](#): > > > > > Surely we can come up with more creative insults that do not resort to sexism? > > > [/quote] > > > > > > How about “fish-faced Enemy of the People?” - > > The Innsmouth Party. _That’s_ what she reminds me of! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/73 "2022-03-02T20:19:41Z")
Then complain that Democrats can’t win elections. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/74 "2022-03-02T20:23:17Z")
Moderation advises no further discussion so I will not debate the point. FWIW my criteria is simply how I would it if I heard it being used by Trump to describe a female Dem politician. YMMV and obviously does. Agreed that they are disgusting excuses for human beings who have to take turns using the one neuron that they share between them. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/75 "2022-03-02T20:26:15Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Agreed that they are disgusting excuses for human beings who have to take turns using the one neuron that they share between them. Note, though, that neurological activity only really happens when a spark jumps across a synapse from one neuron to the next. These two, having only one neuron for the both of them, can’t even accomplish that! ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/76 "2022-03-02T20:34:31Z")
Toddlers throwing tantrums? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/77 "2022-03-02T20:38:22Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > > [@eschereal](#): > > > > > [@Ziberian](#): > > > > > > conservatives think Boebert & MTG are heros > > > > Please stop using “conservatve” incorrectly > > Please explain. I’m using conservative (yes, it probably should be 'C’onservative) to describe the group of people who support Trump and people like MTG & Boebert, et al. It’s a common term for this group, and I don’t know of a better description. How am I using it incorrectly? Conservatives are people who oppose progressivism but recognise that it must exist and while resisting progress, are willing to grudingly allow some to seep through. The modern R party has a conservative or two, but most of the party is actually made up of reactionaries – regressivists who actively want to stop all progress now and begin dismantling any that has already happened. They want to drag us back to the '50s (of some undetermined previous century). Hence, I say, please stop calling Republicans “conservatives” – unless you fastidiously spell/pronounce it “_ **con** _servative”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/78 "2022-03-02T20:39:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Conservatives are people who oppose progressivism but recognise that it must exist and while resisting progress, are willing to grudingly allow some to seep through. That is certainly what it used to mean. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/79 "2022-03-02T21:11:53Z")
In most of the rest of the world, it still does. If you look at stories in al Jazeera, for instance, you will see the labels flipped: “liberal” is the right-wing faction, short for “neoliberal” (Chicago School/Milton Friedman/Hayek/von Mises/glibertarianism). When a Lib-Dem party gains the plurality, they will coalesce with Tories rather than the left for a majority. For the average person, “conservative” continues to carry a non-negative connotation. We can utter it as invective all we want but most people still perceive it as a sort of comfort word. The hard RW regressivists use it to their advantage when their agenda absolutely does not fit the term. There needs to be a campaign to strip the word from them, as there is nothing non-negative to their agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322/80 "2022-03-02T21:39:10Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > There needs to be a campaign to strip the word from them, I invite American Conservatives to kick this off the moment they stop voting for RW regressivists. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-of-the-union-thread/960322.md?page=5)