# State Superintendent orders students to listen to hate speech **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 15, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296 "2024-11-15T18:35:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/1 "2024-11-15T18:35:07Z")
[https://kfor.com/news/local/walters-orders-public-schools-show-students-video-of-him-speaking-politically-charged-opinions-praying-for-donald-trump/](https://kfor.com/news/local/walters-orders-public-schools-show-students-video-of-him-speaking-politically-charged-opinions-praying-for-donald-trump/) Oklahoma State Superintendent Walters has demanded all students to join him in prayer as he attacks political enemies. “Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters emailed leaders in Oklahoma school districts on Thursday telling them they would be required to play their students and parents a video showing Walters blaming the “radical left” and “woke teachers unions” for “attacking” religious liberty, then inviting students to join him as he prays for President-elect Donald Trump.” Welcome to Trumpworld-It _will_ get worse before it gets better…and it probably won’t get better. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/2 "2024-11-15T18:43:23Z")
One thing nearly all conservative Abrahamic-religious people have in common is the inability to understand that forcing people to do something doesn’t actually win their hearts and in fact backfires. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/3 "2024-11-15T18:45:25Z")
Advertising/propaganda _works_, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/4 "2024-11-15T19:28:19Z")
I’d say that applies to all zealots. ---
**Author:** ![TheTooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheTooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTooth)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/5 "2024-11-15T20:01:19Z")
I hope at least one kid sticks his arm in the air German-style through the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/6 "2024-11-15T20:03:12Z")
That seems rather generic. Got anything to say about this particular situation? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/7 "2024-11-15T20:05:23Z")
I think it’s horrible. I hate indoctrination. Especially of a captive audience. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/8 "2024-11-15T20:07:01Z")
The one indoctrination that I know of that occurs regularly in North Carolina is the Pledge of Allegiance, required by law to be recited daily in every public classroom across the state. There’s no other indoctrination that comes anywhere close, at least in our state. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/9 "2024-11-15T20:07:41Z")
I don’t even like that. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/10 "2024-11-15T20:15:40Z")
I did the pledge every day from K-12 and thought nothing of it because everyone did it and it was normal. It wasn’t until many years later it occurred to me how fucking _weird_ it is. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/11 "2024-11-16T00:37:06Z")
Not only weird, but something that cannot legally be required. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/12 "2024-11-16T00:46:41Z")
I’m not sure we need that to happen. Seems kinda backwards or something. If done as a protest. May be thought of as an affirmation. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/13 "2024-11-16T00:57:18Z")
It wasn’t; there were always kids who opted out and they weren’t forced to. None of us were. But we were _expected_ to so we did. ---
**Author:** ![DaveUnknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@DaveUnknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveUnknown)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/14 "2024-11-16T01:28:33Z")
He’s been pushing this stuff for months if not years just to set up a constitutional/supreme court challenge, of which we know the likely outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/15 "2024-11-16T01:35:12Z")
There’s gonna come a day sometime soon when some prestigious university or another announces that it will no longer be accepting students from Oklahoma, because a high school diploma from there is no longer proof of having received a well-rounded comprehensive education. It’s gonna suck for the kids, but I’m still gonna laugh my ass off at that backwards state’s self-own. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/16 "2024-11-16T01:52:34Z")
Oh, but the football players. 😕 Certain universities will take them, right quick It’s sad only about 20 a year will get to out of state Universities. ---
**Author:** ![TheTooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheTooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTooth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/17 "2024-11-16T02:20:38Z")
Hmmm, that’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/18 "2024-11-16T02:37:25Z")
So, what are the odds this guy becomes Trump’s Secretary of Education? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/19 "2024-11-16T02:51:40Z")
Zero. Isn’t he planning on disbanding the Department of Education? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296/20 "2024-11-16T02:53:38Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Isn’t he planning on disbanding the Department of Education? He won’t get 60 votes in the Senate for that, so he’s gonna have to appoint somebody. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-superintendent-orders-students-to-listen-to-hate-speech/1010296.md?page=2)