# State your pick for best (most likely to win) Democratic ticket for 2020. Then say why. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 12, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229 "2018-09-12T16:40:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/221 "2018-10-19T01:41:04Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Biden, Sanders, and Warren are too old. > Either Bullock/Harris or Hickenlooper/Harris would be a good combo (or the other way around). Likewise Klobuchar/Booker or vice versa. Of course, if Harris is at the top of the ticket, there’s no shortage of moderate white guys to pair her with. > > Tammy Duckworth would be a good VP choice for Sanders or Merkley, but with anyone else you’re going to have either two women, two minorities, or two moderates on the ticket. No, they are not. Harris doesn’t have the chops or the state to be Prez. Coming from CA gets you nuthin. You need to come from a Southern or Rust belt state. Colorado is no biggie but it can be a swing state. The critical states are: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin . Any southern state is also good. And why Harris? Can you name anything she has done? Any big speeches or bills? Are you in favor just because of her sex, race, and political leanings? And Harris is super anti-gun, which will cost her the moderate gun owner crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/222 "2018-10-19T01:55:53Z")
The Dems have a big problem in that the type of candidate they need to actually win is someone like Bill Clinton - a southern governor with a track record of relative moderation from the center left. Someone like Phil Bredesen would work. The problem is that the Democrats have moved hard left, and a person like that would never get the nomination. So I expect the Democrats to put up someone like Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Elizabeth Warren - and lose again. Going after Trump’s character is not going to work, since there’s not a single Republican out there who isn’t aware of Trump’s faults. They don’t care. You guys keep dredging up scandal after scandal, and it makes no impact on the electorate at all. Trump’s character issues have been fully discounted. Unless you can find a dead body, it won’t matter. Democrats have to get back to politics and win by convincing the public that they will be better stewards of the economy. That’s what people actually care about. Show them why you are a better choice if you want their vote. Screaming at Republicans, chasing them out of restaraunts, clawing at the Supreme Court doors - these are loser moves that are alienating everyone who isn’t already in your base. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/223 "2018-10-19T02:27:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, they are not. > > Harris doesn’t have the chops or the state to be Prez. Coming from CA gets you nuthin. You need to come from a Southern or Rust belt state. Colorado is no biggie but it can be a swing state. The critical states are: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin . Any southern state is also good. > > And why Harris? Can you name anything she has done? Any big speeches or bills? Are you in favor just because of her sex, race, and political leanings? > And Harris is super anti-gun, which will cost her the moderate gun owner crowd. So, assuming the list I cited above is correct, we’re down to Hickenlooper and Klobuchar. There’s a bumper sticker for you. The home state thing is overrated. The last two Democratic nominees were from big blue States, and Trump won without carrying New York. I like Harris because of her political leanings, and to be perfectly honest I do think it’s important for the sake of turning out the base that the ticket not be a couple of old white guys. I also like Booker. I would like Sanders, Merkley or Warren too, but I judge them as too old and/or worse general election candidates than Harris. And I also think some ideological balance would be good for the ticket. So if you want a centrist white guy for the top of the ticket, which a lot of people here seem to, Harris checks all the balance boxes. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/224 "2018-10-19T02:39:39Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > So, assuming the list I cited above is correct, we’re down to Hickenlooper and Klobuchar. There’s a bumper sticker for you. The home state thing is overrated. The last two Democratic nominees were from big blue States, and Trump won without carrying New York. > > I like Harris because of her political leanings, and to be perfectly honest I do think it’s important for the sake of turning out the base that the ticket not be a couple of old white guys. I also like Booker. I would like Sanders, Merkley or Warren too, but I judge them as too old and/or worse general election candidates than Harris. > > And I also think some ideological balance would be good for the ticket. So if you want a centrist white guy for the top of the ticket, which a lot of people here seem to, Harris checks all the balance boxes. I would accept Harris as veep, but not for Prez. Also Duckworth. Biden is not too old. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/225 "2018-10-19T02:50:28Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > T > > The problem is that the Democrats have moved hard left, and a person like that would never get the nomination. So I expect the Democrats to put up someone like Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Elizabeth Warren - and lose again. > > Going after Trump’s character is not going to work, since there’s not a single Republican out there who isn’t aware of Trump’s faults. They don’t care. You guys keep dredging up scandal after scandal, and it makes no impact on the electorate at all. Trump’s character issues have been fully discounted. Unless you can find a dead body, it won’t matter. We nominated Hillary Clinton, a moderate liberal. So, no the Dems have not moved hard left. Yes, Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren - will result in a Dem loss. Yes, it will. Sure it wont change his core voter. But it can change the millions of Independents, progressives, and such that voted 3rd party or stayed home last election. It can also change the votes of a few moderate GOpers. But all the Dems need is for the Independents, progressives, and such… and the Dem moderate stalwarts- to vote dem. The Dems dont need to move a single GOP voter. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/226 "2018-10-19T03:10:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I would accept Harris as veep, but not for Prez. > > Also Duckworth. > > Biden is not too old. Saying that someone is acceptable as VP but not as President seems odd…you know the VP’s job description, right? Or do you just mean electability-wise? And if Biden isn’t too old, then Sanders isn’t, either, so Sanders-Duckworth for the win! But they are. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/227 "2018-10-19T03:22:15Z")
Besides, Harris is a former State Attorney General. Who knows how to deal with guys like Trump better than a prosecutor? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/228 "2018-10-19T03:44:30Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Saying that someone is acceptable as VP but not as President seems odd…you know the VP’s job description, right? Or do you just mean electability-wise? And if Biden isn’t too old, then Sanders isn’t, either, so Sanders-Duckworth for the win! But they are. Because Harris has not enough experience. Why do you like her- be specific. Sanders is too leftist and lost the last time. Many Dems are also unhappy with him as he didnt try to curbs his fans and also took too long to concede. Sanders is a decent guy, and got what he wanted on the platform. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/229 "2018-10-19T11:18:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Harris doesn’t have the chops or the state to be Prez. Yeah, well, look who _does_. > [@](#): > > And Harris is super anti-gun, which will cost her the moderate gun owner crowd. There is no such thing. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/230 "2018-10-19T13:50:55Z")
I respectfully ask **Thing Fish** to make one emendation. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > … > Here is 538’s list of people who appear to be running for President …: > > … former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julian Castro; … New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand; California Sen. Kamala Harris; … Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon; … Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, …, Sen. Brian Schatz of Hawaii > > Removing everyone whom I don’t see a reason to take seriously based on resume: > … I’ve shown six candidates, five of whom survive to your “take seriously” list. - Castro – big-city Mayor , Cabinet secretary. - Harris - state Attorney General; Senator - Gillibrand – attorney for Philip Morris; legislator - Merkley – Oregon NGO’s, legislator - Klobuchar – county Attorney, U.S. Senator - Schatz – Lt. Governor of small very-blue state; appointed Senator I’m not overly impressed with “Senator” (Recall that JFK, BHO and Harding were the only modern-era Senators to be elected to the Big Job) but will agree that Harris clearly has the 2nd-best resume in the above list. _The very best resume?_ (And why don’t you take him seriously??) Julian Castro. _ **By far.** _ Big-city Mayor trumps State Atty Gen. Active Cabinet Secretary trumps Senator. There were some other ex-Mayors on the list. Any others from one of the _seven largest cities_ in these United States? _ **Julian Castro.** _[He is running for President.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/julian-castro-2020-president-run-738584/) But who for the 2nd name? Biden-Castro : would be outstanding if Biden weren’t too old. Castro-Harris : might be perfect but will the racists think both are “ethnic”? Hickenlooper-Castro : who gets the top spot? I’m not sure of the exact pairing. But these are the names to look at: Castro, Biden, Harris, maybe Hickenlooper. Cross everyone else off the list, please. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/231 "2018-10-19T16:12:06Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m not overly impressed with “Senator” (Recall that JFK, BHO and Harding were the only modern-era Senators to be elected to the Big Job) but will agree that Harris clearly has the 2nd-best resume in the above list. > > _The very best resume?_ (And why don’t you take him seriously??) Julian Castro. _ **By far.** _ Big-city Mayor trumps State Atty Gen. Active Cabinet Secretary trumps Senator. Hang on: I’ll grant that, like you just said, “Senator” has been in short supply on the modern-era list of Elected-To-The-Big-Job folks. But compared to _Cabinet Secretary?_ Just how many of those folks would appear on a similar modern-era Elected-To-The-Big-Job list? (And, look, fair enough on leaving out Truman and LBJ and Nixon, since their time in the Senate wasn’t the point — but it’s still _there,_ as a credential, in the modern era. When, in the modern era, has a Cabinet Secretary stint been that?) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/232 "2018-10-19T17:57:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yeah, well, look who _does_. > > There is no such thing. 😕😕 Yes there is, like me, for example. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/233 "2018-10-19T17:58:53Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > _ **Julian Castro.** _[He is running for President.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/julian-castro-2020-president-run-738584/) But who for the 2nd name? > > Biden-Castro : would be outstanding if Biden weren’t too old. > Castro-Harris : might be perfect but will the racists think both are “ethnic”? > Hickenlooper-Castro : who gets the top spot? > > I’m not sure of the exact pairing. But these are the names to look at: Castro, Biden, Harris, maybe Hickenlooper. Cross everyone else off the list, please. Castro would be fine. I dont think Biden is too old- IF paired with a younger Veep. Again- why bring up Harris? What, exactly has she done? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/234 "2018-10-19T21:17:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > … Again- why bring up Harris? What, exactly has she done? Kamala Harris was District Attorney of the City and County of San Francisco for 7 years, and Attorney General of the largest state for 6 years. U.S. Senator may be a more prestigious job than Attorney General of California, but if you think it’s a more challenging job let me just shake my head. I’m not knowledgeable to judge the job Ms. Harris did as a 13-year top prosecutor. I know there was some controversy. Like many in law enforcement, Ms. Harris isn’t fond of guns; I guess that disqualifies her in the eyes of many. As for Cabinet secretaries being “promoted” to President, I guess Taft and Hoover are the only 20th-century examples. Castro, BTW, has a twin brother in the news for asking for an intelligence probe into Jared Kushner and the possible naming of Khashoggi as Trump’s enemy. Maybe vehement anti-Trumpism is a minus. (Maybe just having a twin brother is a drawback for some peculiar reason.) And to be clear, my zeroing in on Castro, Harris, and Hickenlooper isn’t due to any great infatuation. _ **It’s due to desperation** : If not them, **Who?** _ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/235 "2018-10-19T21:24:19Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Kamala Harris was District Attorney of the City and County of San Francisco for 7 years, and Attorney General of the largest state for 6 years. U.S. Senator may be a more prestigious job than Attorney General of California, but if you think it’s a more challenging job let me just shake my head. > > I’m not knowledgeable to judge the job Ms. Harris did as a 13-year top prosecutor. I know there was some controversy. Like many in law enforcement, Ms. Harris isn’t fond of guns; I guess that disqualifies her in the eyes of many. Well, I can tell you that Harris isnt all that popular even here in CA, even among Democrats. And she has done nothing of real note as AG or senator. Her main qualifications seem to be: 1. Black 2. Female. 3. Great PR firm. Not that she is terrible, mind you. As a Veep, to “balance the ticket” and get 4-8 years more experience, she could be just fine. Actually most LEOs like guns- but only in their hands. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/236 "2018-10-19T22:29:02Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > And to be clear, my zeroing in on Castro, Harris, and Hickenlooper isn’t due to any great infatuation. _ **It’s due to desperation** : If not them, **Who?** _ Mike Bloomberg? Phil Bredesen? John Hickenlooper? Bill Nelson? All would have a much better chance than the people you mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/237 "2018-10-19T23:44:58Z")
If Julian Castro runs, could we count on him to win Texas? If so, that would be a _big_ plus for him. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, I can tell you that Harris isnt all that popular even here in CA, even among Democrats. And she has done nothing of real note as AG or senator. > > Her main qualifications seem to be: > > 1. Black > 2. Female. > 3. Great PR firm. > > Not that she is terrible, mind you. As a Veep, to “balance the ticket” and get 4-8 years more experience, she could be just fine. She seems _slightly_ more charismatic than some of the other toutees. Anyway, all my suggested pairings with her at all, show her in the VP slot. And I don’t want her as VP unless the #1 slot is taken by a white male. _I’m_ not prejudiced but I think a large portion of voters are. I just don’t see who our knight in shining armor will be. America sure needs one now. ☹ Are we _sure_ Admiral McRaven is out of the running? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/238 "2018-10-19T23:57:31Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Mike Bloomberg? Phil Bredesen? John Hickenlooper? Bill Nelson? All would have a much better chance than the people you mentioned. I think Hickenlooper’s chance is about equal to one of my mentionees. 🙂 I Googled the two names you mentioned that I’d never heard of. Googling “phil bredesen for president” gets just one real hit — a newspaper item from a Nashville newspaper _in 2002_ when Bredeson was a frisky 58 year-old. Bill Nelson may be a great guy, but he’s even older than Bredeson. _ **Strong turn-out among young people is key to Democratic victory.** _ Yes, they turned out for Bernie Sanders, but would they turn out for a _moderate_ near-octogenerian? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/239 "2018-10-20T00:31:09Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > _ **Strong turn-out among young people is key to Democratic victory.** _ Yes, they turned out for Bernie Sanders, but would they turn out for a _moderate_ near-octogenerian? They’d turn out for Biden- IF the party balanced him with a young progressive. And i think that is out best best- a moderate/liberal white dude, from a southern or rust belt state= with a young, energetic, minority and/or female progressive. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229/240 "2018-10-22T17:36:57Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I respectfully ask **Thing Fish** to make one emendation. > > I’ve shown six candidates, five of whom survive to your “take seriously” list. > > - Castro – big-city Mayor , Cabinet secretary. > - Harris - state Attorney General; Senator > - Gillibrand – attorney for Philip Morris; legislator > - Merkley – Oregon NGO’s, legislator > - Klobuchar – county Attorney, U.S. Senator > - Schatz – Lt. Governor of small very-blue state; appointed Senator > > I’m not overly impressed with “Senator” (Recall that JFK, BHO and Harding were the only modern-era Senators to be elected to the Big Job) but will agree that Harris clearly has the 2nd-best resume in the above list. > > _The very best resume?_ (And why don’t you take him seriously??) Julian Castro. _ **By far.** _ Big-city Mayor trumps State Atty Gen. Active Cabinet Secretary trumps Senator. There were some other ex-Mayors on the list. Any others from one of the _seven largest cities_ in these United States? > > _ **Julian Castro.** _[He is running for President.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/julian-castro-2020-president-run-738584/) But who for the 2nd name? > > Biden-Castro : would be outstanding if Biden weren’t too old. > Castro-Harris : might be perfect but will the racists think both are “ethnic”? > Hickenlooper-Castro : who gets the top spot? > > I’m not sure of the exact pairing. But these are the names to look at: Castro, Biden, Harris, maybe Hickenlooper. Cross everyone else off the list, please. I mean, I’d be open to considering him (as well as LA Mayor Eric Garcetti, but historically “big city Mayor” hasn’t been a launching pad to the Presidency. OTOH, the Dems are increasingly a party of urbanites, so maybe it’s time that could change. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/state-your-pick-for-best-most-likely-to-win-democratic-ticket-for-2020-then-say-why/821229.md?page=13)