# Statue insults women veterans , senator says **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 10, 2004, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574 "2004-06-10T01:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/21 "2004-06-10T19:39:44Z")
> [@Skopo](#): > > the artist could have followed Delacroix’s example in depicting [Lady Liberty](http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/delacroix/liberte/) with both the nudity _and_ specific historical references Sorry for the art-history hijack, but why, exactly, is Lady Liberty traditionally depicted with a boob hanging out? Some kind of “nurturing the nascent nation” motherhood thing? I’d never really thought about it before now. > [@Gest](#): > > She needs a dog leash and a ‘thumbs up’. I laughed. I’m not proud. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/22 "2004-06-10T19:58:26Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Sorry for the art-history hijack, but why, exactly, is Lady Liberty traditionally depicted with a boob hanging out? So that men will look at the statue. Think I’m wrong? How many of you guys went looking for the Janet Jackson picture online? Or Lucy Lawless? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/23 "2004-06-10T20:06:30Z")
Ah. Now I remember where I’ve seen that pose before. Heck with the dog’s leash and a thumb’s up; what she really needs is a grocery bag with a baguette and some celery sticking out of the top. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/24 "2004-06-10T20:57:29Z")
> [@astro](#): > > [Here’s an excellent picture of the entire memorial](http://library.thinkquest.org/J001570/hyrosensculpture1.jpg) Check it out, it IS Charlie’s Angels! ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/25 "2004-06-10T21:12:14Z")
The female in the statue looks a tad anorexic, and the pose could be a bit better, but other than that, there’s nothing particularly offensive about it IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/26 "2004-06-10T21:21:34Z")
I’m a bit more offended that the senator took the focus off what this was supposed to be (a memorial to female veterans) and used it to do a little politicking for herself. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/27 "2004-06-10T22:37:07Z")
> [@Shaolinrabbit](#): > > I think she looks kind of like she’s doing a Trinity style kick, perpetually frozen in bullet time. No one messes with the Queen. Looks to me like she was on the _receiving_ end of that Trinity-style kick… ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/28 "2004-06-10T23:07:23Z")
Maybe they should have put a dismembered penis in one hand, the matching sack in the other, and the butcher knife that removed them could be in her teeth… ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/29 "2004-06-10T23:12:39Z")
> [@Green Bean](#): > > But damn, it’s an ugly statue. No kidding. Plus, and this just might be me, I’d never look at that and think “ah, women in wartime” nor “Lady Liberty.” But instead “What is that supposed to be?” which makes it more of an artistic failure than offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/30 "2004-06-10T23:28:50Z")
There’s not even anything for Ashcroft to cover up! ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/31 "2004-06-11T00:02:42Z")
she looks like she wants to go sailing on the lake. that is a rather nautical looking dress. perhaps a more fierce looking woman holding a shield or cross bow or something? ---
**Author:** ![JKilez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@JKilez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKilez)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/32 "2004-06-11T02:32:33Z")
It is not the attire, it is that _pose_ . She looks like she is flirting at a cocktail party, not inspiring women to battle. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/33 "2004-06-11T03:25:18Z")
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Betty Crocker in bronze flanked on her right by Betty Crocker as Davie Crockett and on the left by Betty Crocker as The Terminator. That sucker is unattractive, awkward and lacking in any significant aesthetic content. Don’t you just love committee selected public art? Try comparing this to the monument to Col Shaw and the 52d(?) Mass in front of the Statehouse in Boston, or the Vietnam Memorial (less representational statuary) or even to the Grant Monument on the Mall in front of the Capitol (the artillery gun team all falling down in a pile). This sucker is just about as pedestrian and unimaginative as they come. I’ve seen GAR monuments (the volunteer at rest, the volunteer alert, the volunteer clearing his throat, the volunteer picking his nose, etc) that are more moving and attractive. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/34 "2004-06-11T03:25:28Z")
The artist is no Bartholdi, but who is, these days? Not me, not you. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/35 "2004-06-11T03:45:39Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You think that’s something, take a look at Queen Charlotte. > > [http://www.charlottechamber.com/content.cfm?category\_level\_id=321&content\_id=1409](http://www.charlottechamber.com/content.cfm?category_level_id=321&content_id=1409) > > This unfortunate statue is in front of Charlotte-Douglas International Airport. I’m not sure if she’s sitting on an imaginary toilet or just got hit in the gut by a baseball bat. Well, Queen Charlotte was notoriously ugly. That’s actually a rather flattering portrait. I kinda like the statue (of the lady veteran, not QC). She looks like a girl scout in the 1930s. Victoria’s Secret model? No freaking way. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/36 "2004-06-11T04:20:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Well, Queen Charlotte was notoriously ugly. That’s actually a rather flattering portrait. > > I kinda like the statue (of the lady veteran, not QC). She looks like a girl scout in the 1930s. > Victoria’s Secret model? No freaking way. [Here’s a pic of her with 2 of her 15 kids.](http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/r/ramsay/charlott.jpg) [Here’s an older pic of her](http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lawrence/charlott.jpg) She may not have been a looker, but what a producer! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/37 "2004-06-11T05:12:51Z")
> [@Spavined Gelding](#): > > Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Betty Crocker in bronze flanked on her right by Betty Crocker as Davie Crockett. As a modern woman, she chose to hyphenate her last name. She’d now Betty Crocker-Crockett. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/38 "2004-06-11T09:50:20Z")
> [@astro](#): > > [Here’s a pic of her with 2 of her 15 kids.](http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/r/ramsay/charlott.jpg) > > [Here’s an older pic of her](http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/l/lawrence/charlott.jpg) > > She may not have been a looker, but what a producer! Wow, she doesn’t look so bad in those portraits. She reminds me of CJ in West Wing, and CJ is hot. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/39 "2004-06-11T12:17:48Z")
Well, Lady Liberty does have an uhealthy gray pallor – perhaps that’s the gripe. Quenn Charlotte looks like she just got both barrels of a 12-guage in the gut. ---
**Author:** ![MizQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/94ad74/32.png) [@MizQuirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MizQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574/40 "2004-06-11T13:04:03Z")
> [@JKilez](#): > > She looks like she is flirting at a cocktail party, not inspiring women to battle. Yes, and what’s with that scarf draped around and over her arms? Seems unmilitary, and would be a nuisance for someone so busy carrying a torch or whatever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/statue-insults-women-veterans-senator-says/249574.md?page=3)