# Steely Dan Fan is either a troll or a stupid fanatic **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 23, 2014, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360 "2014-03-23T14:53:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/21 "2014-03-23T21:33:24Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I thought this would be an expression of disbelief that someone could be a fan of Steely Dan, and was prepared to lend anecdotal support, having once known one. There you go, ruining what was a nice thread where members of all political stripes could come together and trash a moron. For shame, you divisive person. :mad: (signed) **dropzone** , who actually paid money for his Steely Dan collection. Well, most of it. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/22 "2014-03-23T21:52:56Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > We used to have a pretty hard core Marxist on here whose username I won’t mention who, when I asked “well, okay, so what if real life evidence proves Marx was wrong?” came right out and said Marx was infallible. Not just right, not accurate; perfect. Infallible. Marx could never be wrong, ever. Heck, there were the [Revisionists](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionism_(Marxism)) led by [Bernstein](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Bernstein) while Marx was still alive, who pointed out that Marx’s confident predictions weren’t coming true. The joke goes that Marx was so far-sighted that nothing he predicted has happened yet! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/23 "2014-03-23T22:32:59Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Karl, the forgotten Marx brother, had a talent for carefully observing what was going on. Not that much talent, or he would have noticed that he’d never make it in the troupe unless he changed his name to Karlo. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/24 "2014-03-23T23:48:55Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I thought this would be an expression of disbelief that someone could be a fan of Steely Dan, and was prepared to lend anecdotal support, having once known one. I really like their work and have spent bucks and time to see them in concert twice. Any bunch of guys that fire Chevy Chase as their drummer can’t be all bad. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/25 "2014-03-23T23:56:57Z")
Hey, **Steely Dan Fan** … When even _ **Kanicbird** _ is saner than you are, it’s time to reexamine your life. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/26 "2014-03-24T01:08:28Z")
Burn! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/27 "2014-03-24T01:17:25Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Hey, **Steely Dan Fan** … > > When even _ **Kanicbird** _ is saner than you are, it’s time to reexamine your life. Can’t Buy A Thrill Katy Lied Aja Goucho all great albums. If you think otherwise, then you simply don’t know what you are talking about. And now, I will listen to Aja. Good Day Sir! I said Good Day! ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/28 "2014-03-24T01:36:56Z")
That’s Gaucho. And “Hey Nineteen” is the most depressing song in the history of anything. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/29 "2014-03-24T01:56:48Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > That’s Gaucho. And “Hey Nineteen” is the most depressing song in the history of anything. Especially when its 30 years later and they sing it “Hey Forty-Nine”. Actually, Wharf Rat is substantially more depressing. By the Grateful Dead about a wino having a reverie on the wharf while dying of alcoholism. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/30 "2014-03-24T02:40:11Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Can’t Buy A Thrill > Katy Lied > Aja > Goucho > > all great albums. If you think otherwise, then you simply don’t know what you are talking about. And now, I will listen to Aja. Good Day Sir! I said Good Day! At least you could have _linked them_. Here. I’ll do it for you: [Can’t Buy A Thrill](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlxVGiKNkb0) [Katy Lied](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66GRcS5vVy8) [Aja](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gPFZlw1dw0) [Gaucho](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC7UPTj7-jE) (you misspelled it, as pointed out, above…) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/31 "2014-03-24T13:58:17Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > At least you could have _linked them_. Here. I’ll do it for you: > > [Can’t Buy A Thrill](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlxVGiKNkb0) > [Katy Lied](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66GRcS5vVy8) > [Aja](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gPFZlw1dw0) > [Gaucho](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC7UPTj7-jE) (you misspelled it, as pointed out, above…) I kept waiting for the mechanism of the Record Company to wither away and leave the proletariat to enjoy the fruits of his labor without interference from the vampire class. But Steely Dan are really boring. Not bad, just uninteresting. Like elevator music with words. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/32 "2014-03-24T16:11:14Z")
Evangelical Marxist :: Evangelical Objectivist. Both are romantic idealists without a foot in the real world. Both tend to be assholes. -andros, socialist- ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/33 "2014-03-24T16:45:26Z")
I love that this thread invokes both Groucho and _Gaucho_. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/34 "2014-03-24T16:58:01Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > I love that this thread invokes both Groucho and _Gaucho_. [It’s been done (1976).](http://themarxbrotherssource.tumblr.com/image/51662930022) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/35 "2014-03-24T17:31:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > [It’s been done (1976).](http://themarxbrotherssource.tumblr.com/image/51662930022) Sigh. I’m old enough to remember that from the day it hit the papers. And idiotic enough to still smile. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/36 "2014-03-24T18:45:53Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > That’s Gaucho. And “Hey Nineteen” is the most depressing song in the history of anything. I liked “Deacon Blues”, though. If it’s depressing, don’t tell me. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/37 "2014-03-24T19:02:00Z")
Never been a Steely Dan Fan. Not the band, not the poster. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/38 "2014-03-24T19:11:19Z")
So you’re not a **Steely Dan Fan** fan? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/39 "2014-03-25T09:23:45Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > That statement that nobody has ever put true Marxist socioeconomic theory into practice–despite the supposed fantastical benefits it promises to deliver and the diverse array of attempted implementations–would seem to substantiate the practical unworkability of Marxism as a functioning system. It’s still not a foolproof argument, since all people trying to deviate from Leninism/Stalinism were stamped out pretty hard. So it could be argued that the wrong interpretation of Marxism prevented any attempt at implementing the correct one. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360/40 "2014-03-25T09:49:14Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > It’s still not a foolproof argument, since all people trying to deviate from Leninism/Stalinism were stamped out pretty hard. So it could be argued that the wrong interpretation of Marxism prevented any attempt at implementing the correct one. But isn’t this in itself a flaw in true Marxism? If it’s so easily subverted by false forms of itself how can it function? Marx said that the triumph of his system was inevitable but we see that it didn’t even triumph in a supposedly friendly environment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steely-dan-fan-is-either-a-troll-or-a-stupid-fanatic/684360.md?page=3)