# Stefanik has said she'd betray American democracy: how the fuck is this not front page news? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [February 9, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367 "2024-02-09T20:27:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/1 "2024-02-09T20:27:15Z")
How the fuck is this not front page news? The likely future candidate for VP just said she would usurp the will of the people and betray her position as President of the Senate, if she had been VP on Jan 6th 2021: [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4458147-stefanik-says-she-would-not-have-done-what-mike-pence-did-on-jan-6](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4458147-stefanik-says-she-would-not-have-done-what-mike-pence-did-on-jan-6) This is absolute insanity, the next time that happens (which seriously would anyone bet against at this point if Trump wins in November?), and if Stefanik is VP, she would _not_ fulfill her oath and certify the election results. I mean, that she would not do so is not surpising (you don’t get to be front runner for Trumps VP in 2024 without agreeing to that). But that she just said it out loud on national TV, and it was greeted by collective shrug by the news media WTF? Its currently right at the bottom of the CNN front page under the heading “Avlon says Stefanik’s remark should disqualify her from becoming VP” What are those remarks? Who is Avlon? Has someone just said they are going to usurp democracy if they are elected as VP? All that is left to your imagination if you don’t scroll down below (I’m not kidding) the “Whale poo has massive value” article. The top headline is: “Biden’s allies disagree on how to combat questions about his age”. What the actual fuck. Trump being elected in 2016 was the fault of the news media, and they are doing their darndest to make sure he’s elected again in 2024. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/2 "2024-02-09T20:30:50Z")
Geepers, and here we were just discussing the definition of the “pick me” girl. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/3 "2024-02-09T20:36:25Z")
I tried to read the article, but my German is somewhat rusty. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/4 "2024-02-09T20:41:53Z")
I want to know the value of whale poo. That said, nothing is too crazy anymore in politics. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/5 "2024-02-09T20:46:16Z")
She said it so the running mate picker will pick her. That’s as surprising as the Sun rising in the east. She said it so the republican voters will vote for that slate. That’s as surprising as the Sun setting in the west. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/6 "2024-02-09T20:51:40Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > She said it so the running mate picker will pick her. … > > She said it so the republican voters will vote for that slate. And that’s the problem will these serial liars. We know exactly why she said it, but that tells us nothing about what she actually believes, or would do under similar circumstances. Even the people who _want_ her to subvert democracy should be asking themselves if they really believe her, but I’m pretty sure they’re not that self-aware. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/7 "2024-02-09T20:54:35Z")
It’s not front page news because this is par for the course for Republicans in office these days. And the media has decided that because it’s “normal” and unsurprising, that makes it not really newsworthy. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/8 "2024-02-09T20:55:10Z")
No need to ask. It’s pretty obvious they believe the situation will occur again. And they want the trump-puppet party veep to ignore the constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/9 "2024-02-09T21:18:10Z")
Assuming Trump/Stefanik is elected in 2024, the first time she could subvert a presidential election would be in January of 2029, when the 2028 election results are being certified. Our political system could look very, very different by then. I doubt predictions have any useful utility today. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/10 "2024-02-09T21:25:54Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > She said it so the running mate picker will pick her. That’s as surprising as the Sun rising in the east. > > She said it so the republican voters will vote for that slate. That’s as surprising as the Sun setting in the west. That she agreed that with her running mate is about as surprising as the sun was rising in the east. Does anyone doubt that is the #1 requirement for any potential trump VP pick? (Maybe after “must not damage Trump’s fragile ego by being more charismatic or a potential replacement”) There wasn’t any need to announce it public (only Trump gets to pick his VP), and the news media should not have gone “meh” when she did. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/11 "2024-02-09T21:32:21Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I want to know the value of whale poo. Quite valueable, though there is debate whether it is vomit or poo. My bet is on poo. > **[Is Perfume Made Our Of Whale Vomit (Ambergris)?](https://thefragranceworld.co.uk/blogs/news/is-perfume-made-our-of-whale-vomit-ambergris)** > > Fine perfumes tend to contain some of the most extraordinary ingredients. The reality is that the perfume industry is more elaborate than we think. Besides flower extracts, many other substances and compounds are used in fragrances. You’ve probably... (Apologies to the Mods for “the so far off topic that it is practically in orbit, hijacked by the Baader Meinhof gang” style response.) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/12 "2024-02-09T23:13:51Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Assuming Trump/Stefanik is elected in 2024, the first time she could subvert a presidential election would be in January of 2029, when the 2028 election results are being certified. Our political system could look very, very different by then. I doubt predictions have any useful utility today. You’re focusing on the wrong thing. Her comments are based on _this_ election, not _the following_ election. This isn’t about predicting that following election; it’s about observing this one. She made those comments fot the reasons I mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/13 "2024-02-09T23:47:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Assuming Trump/Stefanik is elected in 2024, the first time she could subvert a presidential election would be in January of 2029, when the 2028 election results are being certified. Our political system could look very, very different by then. True but how regardless of exactly how it comes about (Trump trying to get a 3rd term, Donald Trump Junior, MTG, Trump clone grown in a test tube, or even more unlikely: Eric Trump) no one has any doubt that Jan 6th could happen again in some form in January 2029 if Trump is elected in 2024. The fact she just came out and said “If that happens when I’m VP, I would just flat out reject the rule of law and appoint a dictator, not like that loser Pence” is a monumental moment in the decline of the US republic, and its genuinely shocking it buried in the back pages. . ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/14 "2024-02-10T02:35:33Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Trump being elected in 2016 was the fault of the news media, and they are doing their darndest to make sure he’s elected again in 2024. Trump is better for ratings. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/15 "2024-02-10T03:02:09Z")
You don’t think his dumbass followers, aka the magatoflatearthers, won’t try to attack the Capitol again? I’d be surprised if any of the statehouses aren’t attacked on December 17, 2024. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/16 "2024-02-10T03:19:22Z")
So she’s counting on the MAGA rubes not knowing she will have no power to change the certification of the 2024 election? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/17 "2024-02-10T04:12:53Z")
She’s counting on them supporting her for supporting him. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/18 "2024-02-10T05:15:11Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Trump is better for ratings. although its hard to enjoy the better ratings for the gulag Trump’s planning to set up for unsupportive journalists. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/19 "2024-02-10T14:28:06Z")
JD Vance said that he also would not have done as Pence did. There are probably others who are VP wannabes as well. Both sides are not the same. I hope the sane side is strong enough to withstand the continuing assault on democracy. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stefanik-has-said-shed-betray-american-democracy-how-the-fuck-is-this-not-front-page-news/997367/20 "2024-02-10T15:00:57Z")
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