Stem Cell medical technology. Is this even possible? Scam?

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Oh good, another new user showing up to defend a scam with an impassioned personal plea. We can never have enough!

People charging sick people money to get a treatment that has no evidence to back it up, has no peer-reviewed studies showing that it is beneficial, and who are extremely sketchy about even describing how precisely it works are scammers. Legitimate doctors do not resort to such tactics.

Let me put it this way: I have a competing treatment to offer you. It is called the Health-Pro-Gold Flexion Staff of Excellence. A natural product derived from the finest, healthiest oak trees, this [del]stick[/del] Health-Pro-Gold Flexion Staff of Excellence will cure cancer, heart disease, and the clap. It has been exposed to the healing waves of crystals, been immersed in the mysterious waters of volcanic springs and personally rubbed by the ancient and wise keepers of Stonehenge. I will be happy to treat you for only $500 per session and, after just eight sessions, you will thank me for curing you of your many maladies! No? Well, you can’t prove me wrong, then, and criticizing me is bad because you don’t know!

There are a thousand and one scams out there. Many of them have very earnest people who believe they worked – but, sadly, that doesn’t make them less of a fraud. If it’s not fraud, then there should be evidence, right? In medicine, others should able to duplicate your results and study them. That hasn’t happened.

I appreciate your anecdote, but personal anecdotes don’t constitute scientific evidence. Do you believe in alien abductions, wrathful ghosts, pixies, gremlins, succubi? People are often mistaken, misinformed, confused or can even just lie. Including to themselves. Sorry, but placebo effect is probably what’s in play here. If we are to believe otherwise – great – provide proof. The more extraordinary the claim, the sounder the proof must be.

If I had a fatal illness, I’d be happy to spend my money on medical treatment. I would not be happy to spend my money on quackery. I’d just as soon my money went to my family and to charity rather than to charlatans who are willing to exploit sick people for money, or even to misguided people who are providing irresponsible, unproven treatments.

As you’ve done your homework, can you provide what that was? What convinced you to take this treatment? Was it evidence, studies… or just personal anecdotes? Also, why was it ‘right for you’ but not for others? What criteria are you applying?

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I also firmly believe that firing a bullet into my skull is bad for me, even though I have not personally experienced it. I’m such a hypocrite!

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Forgive me for not wanting to read through over a year and a half of outdated material but the initial post said seizures and autism. That said, you mention cancer as your reason for treatment, and as a stem cell transplant registered nurse, I can say for cancer you’ve got a chance. Apparently you rolled the life-dice well, but I’d be lost for words if such transplants could “cure” autism or alleviate seizures… which by the way, are a symptom and not a disease.

People will do a lot of bad things to get rich, sadly a lot more people will do a bunch of stupid shit to try and enjoy tomorrow; by the way, congratulations.

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Since stem cell transplantation is available in the USA for malignancies–why go to Ecuador? And he said “The treatment is not 20 mins long.. It takes hours…” Not the case here (or in other real transplant centers.)

I looked the place up–they only offer autologous transplants. And cancer isn’t on their “list.”

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I have read all the things that everyone has had to say and I am about to start a timeline of my experience with his treatment.

I am about to start the treatment and will post my experiences - good or bad on the procedure, effects and outcome of whatever happens. To all believers this may be the confirmation that the others need, to the non believers this may be the confirmation that you need. Whichever way it turns out you would all have a timeline of what happens in my case. One persons experience may be completely different to another and what works for one may not work for the other. I don’t care and I have nothing to prove.

Details of the injury and the treatment will follow as it unfolds. Photos and videos will be maintained for supporting documentary evidence.

I’m new but I have not started any of the therapy as yet so this is a good starting point.

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Isn’t that a lot of effort to go through to piss away money?

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Put down the checkbook and walk away. If you really read the whole thread, you know it won’t work.

Or you’re just a shill.

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Why are you worried about my money? Don’t you want to know once and for all if it works? Here is the perfect opportunity to do so yet you are discouraging me. I don’t understand why?

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I’ve read the whole thread and I see a lot of negativity but nothing to back it up other than personal opinion.

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I’m not, other than if you really hate it so much, I’d be willing to take it off your hands and I wouldn’t endanger your health in the process, I already know it doesn’t work, yeah, I discourage people from making bad choices, the sanctimony comes at no extra charge, if you think it’s a good idea to waste your money on crank nonsense and quackery, I’m not surprised you don’t understand why.

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Then you also suck at reading. The onus is not on us to prove that his quack treatments don’t work, it’s on him to prove that they do. Until he can provide convincing objective evidence from a well-thought out methodology with repeatable results, we can’t reject the null hypothesis.

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Why would an ordinary patient have such a stake in proving a treatment work to a bunch of total strangers? I changed my mind. You’re a shill.

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Again - you put forward no valid argument. Do you know first hand that it does not work? I will give you that satisfaction if it is indeed so, then you will have your hard proof (if it turns out that way) but I can tell you fro first hand knowledge of someone that I know that has shown remarkable improvement (two people actually). Had I not known them myself, I too would be doubtful especially after all the negative opinions posted here. I will see for myself and report to you all - good or bad.

Nothing further to discuss at this point.

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We really don’t care as you getting better wouldn’t be proof one way or the other.

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Then there is no pleasing you - you don’t want to know and you are happy in your ignorance, afraid of finding out that you may be wrong. If I am cured you would find some reason to convince yourself that it was because of something else.

So what would be proof to you? Documented evidence is not going to be enough? Just admit that you are a non-believer and no amount of evidence will change your mind. If that is your position then you have nothing to “contribute” to this thread, your sole purpose is to bash this person and his procedure. It is a forum for discussion not persuasion - let the facts unfold and present to everyone what transpires and let them form their own opinion based on fact.

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Multiple objective double-blind medical trials that show a statistically significant link between the remission of the illness and the treatment course.

One person getting better means nothing as it’s not statistically significant.

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I have nothing to prove or disprove - I am about to start the treatment and offered my experience to all - good or bad. Instead you choose to call me names? Should I just refrain from sharing this with everyone regardless of the outcome? That makes no sense as I am sure some people would really like to know.

Perhaps I have the wrong impression of this forum. I thought the site sought to determine if something was a scam or not. It seems it is a bashing site.

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Scams deserve to be bashed.

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What precisely will this documented evidence consist of? Photos and videos have previously shown us that aliens destroyed Washington DC and Godzilla regularly lunches [del]at[/del]on Tokyo. What we would need is an independent medical report on your condition before and after treatment, for a start. Will you provide this?

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If it is a scam it deserves to be exposed… It also deserves to be validated if it is not a scam.

Not one of the writers has said that they have tried the treatment and it did not work. One of the writers has said that they tried it and it worked.
I am about to start and offering to let you know if it works or not.

I will post my experience regardless of what you think.