# Steophan: '"Blacks are subhuman" is either true or false, and by itself has no moral component' **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 20, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514 "2015-03-20T17:32:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/181 "2015-03-22T16:35:30Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Well, my analogy wouldn’t really have worked then because I’m singularly unkind to cockroaches Ahh, a speciest. /hijack ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/182 "2015-03-22T16:35:50Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > No, you stupid fuck. She was using animals as a stand-in for people—ALL people. No, she wasn’t - she _specifically_ said “[a person that looked different from me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18224938&postcount=91)” - the “dog” in the first paragraph is analogous to the “person who looked different than me” in the second part. > [@](#): > > I’m beginning to think Chen and CP might be onto something. _Beginning_ to? Nice try, SheetBoy…you’ve been goosestepping in rhythm with them for ages. > [@](#): > > Wait—I thought there was no such thing as races. Yes, that’s kind of the point, Einstein… > [@](#): > > That’s some funny shit right there. Your old fallback. You say races don’t exist, yet you enter multiple threads and argue as if they do. Oh, please, quote me where I say biological races are true. And no, using ethnic descriptors is not it. I’m happy to acknowledge the existence of ethnicities. > [@](#): > > You even cry against “Racist” and argue the difference between _racial_ and _racist_. Your reading comprehension isn’t so good, is it? _My_ argument is that there is no difference. _You’re_ the one who parrots the “Racial isn’t racist” party line (and we all know what Party that is, _ja_?). Lost track of your own schtick, or has senility set in early? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/183 "2015-03-22T16:43:37Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > If you think you “know” that, you need to learn to read my posts for comprehension. Do you mean I need to read them with some sort of crazy filter in place? Because the bit I’ve quoted says precisely that. Is there a special hat I need to wear, to achieve this “comprehension” that goes beyond the words you actually typed? Is it …conical? > [@](#): > > But hey, good job in the rest of the post doubling down on your bigotry and hypocrisy. Oh, aaany day now… > [@](#): > > And if you think this thread is going well for you and badly for me, then (once again) you need to work on your reading comprehension. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. > [@](#): > > Or just go back to insulting people for their mental health problems or sexual proclivities, then claiming you’re not a bigot. It is to laugh. Still no _denial_ of the teddyfucking, I see. Tell me, do you just rub it over yourself, or have you made…_special_ modifications? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/184 "2015-03-22T16:51:50Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Which is fair enough, he’s the only one of the people who disagree with me who feels the need to use gratuitous, bigoted insults whilst doing so. any day… ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/185 "2015-03-22T16:57:53Z")
I think Mr Dribble is madder than the time the KKK threw Malcolm X that surprise “over the hill” 40th birthday party. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/186 "2015-03-22T17:18:42Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > any day… You seriously don’t understand that insult someone’s mental health or sexual choices is bigotry? Are you really that dumb? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/187 "2015-03-22T17:30:05Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You seriously don’t understand that insult someone’s mental health or sexual choices is bigotry? Are you really that dumb? That’s right, you _stoke_ that fake outrage. Stoke it _good_. Any day now… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/188 "2015-03-22T17:45:22Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Said the liar who thinks “Blacks are subhuman” isn’t racist… Dude, you are arguing with morons who are also racist. Steophan is an idiot and a racist. You’ve kicked his ass quite thoroughly. And the others too. It’s not that the can’t see that denigration and the perpetuation of racist and denigrating stereotypes is dehumanizing. It’s that they won’t see. Klansmen are prejudiced. Their minds are made up and they are self-justifying. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/189 "2015-03-22T17:51:43Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Dude, you are arguing with morons who are also racist. I was thinking more along the line of “abusing”, actually. Argument is 12A. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/190 "2015-03-22T17:57:10Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I was thinking more along the line of “abusing”, actually. Which is what makes you such a pathetic hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/191 "2015-03-22T18:02:33Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Which is what makes you such a pathetic hypocrite. "…any day now, things will turn around… …meanwhile, damn, looks like I need to wring Pooh out again. " said the Cowardly Liar. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/192 "2015-03-22T18:11:04Z")
Things don’t need to turn around. I suspect I’m far happier with the outcome of this thread. Where you’ve shown what you’re truly like, I’ve shown that I’m not racist by any normal definition, and there’s less people attacking me than attacking you. Just like the other time you tried to pit me, elsewhere, when it also backfired on you. But hey, keep up with the sexual insults. It makes you look so much like the more moral, less bigoted person. Really. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/193 "2015-03-22T18:12:10Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Which is what makes you such a pathetic hypocrite. You must have a very low opinion of people if you think they are your equals. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/194 "2015-03-22T18:16:52Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > You must have a very low opinion of people if you think they are your equals. no u ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/195 "2015-03-22T18:19:21Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, I think it’s making analogies comparing people to dogs that makes you a big old racist. Are we supposed to be glad it wasn’t cockroaches? She didn’t compare people to dogs. She said if you have that sort of genial contempt for the intelligence of people (you know, magellan’s “I’m not a racist I just think black people are stupid”) then you’re a racist. Magellan is a racist because he thinks black people are less intelligent. Ann Hedonia was pointing out that no matter how sweet and cute and friendly you think someone is, if you think they are genetically less intelligent, you are treating them like an animal, not a person. In other words, she’s on your side. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/196 "2015-03-22T18:28:40Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Things don’t need to turn around. I suspect I’m far happier with the outcome of this thread. Suuure you are. > [@](#): > > Where you’ve shown what you’re truly like, I’ve shown that I’m not racist by any normal definition Have I actually called you a racist in this thread? I mean, I know you _love_ the racists, _almost_ as much as you love stuffed toys with pliable rubber anuses, but I _think_ I steered clear of actually calling you a racist. Even though you think “Blacks are subhuman” is not a racist statement. > [@](#): > > , and there’s less people attacking me than attacking you. Ermm, yeah - when those people are **Shodie** and **mags** , it doesn’t exactly make me think I’m doing anything wrong. Quite the opposite, in fact. > [@](#): > > Just like the other time you tried to pit me, elsewhere, when it also backfired on you. You have a _hilariously_ wrong idea of how that thread went. > [@](#): > > But hey, keep up with the sexual insults. Thanks, I will. > [@](#): > > It makes you look so much like the more moral, less bigoted person. Really. Dude, I’d have to sink a _lot_ lower before I’m anywhere in the ballpark of your lying, racist-loving self. I mean, seriously, you say “Blacks are subhuman” isn’t racist, and you think me exposing your yiffing proclivities is going to turn it around for you? You really are delusional. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/197 "2015-03-22T18:32:08Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > She didn’t compare people to dogs. No, she just used them in an analogy. > [@](#): > > In other words, she’s on your side. Eh, I’m still not seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/198 "2015-03-22T18:32:38Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Things don’t need to turn around. I suspect I’m far happier with the outcome of this thread. If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person on earth. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/199 "2015-03-22T18:35:21Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, she just used them in an analogy. > Eh, I’m still not seeing it. I agree with **jsgoddess** – I understood **Ann Hedonia** ’s post to be saying “if you think of someone as you would a faithful dog due to their race, then you’re still a racist, even though you like them”. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/200 "2015-03-22T18:41:31Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, she just used them in an analogy. Exactly, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But you keep comparing the people I like to fuck to animals (admittedly stuffed ones), so there’s another example of your hypocrisy and bigotry. Lovely. And yes, I’m going to continue to maintain that an arrangement of words - _any_ such arrangement - cannot be racist. The words have to be used by someone for them to be racist. You seem to think I’m claiming that saying “blacks are subhuman” is not racist, because, presumably, you can’t read the many times I’ve said that’s not the case. Saying that is (almost\*) certainly racist. \*“Almost” is necessary here, as there are no absolutes in human behaviour. The only hypothetical I can think of is someone with Tourette’s having it as an extremely unfortunate tic, but no doubt with your views, you’d disparage such a person as a racist, and take the piss out of them for being mentally ill. Because you’re an ignorant bigot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514.md?page=11)