# Steophan: '"Blacks are subhuman"  is either true or false, and by itself has no moral component'

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [March 20, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514 "2015-03-20T17:32:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/161 "2015-03-22T09:16:13Z")

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> [@Steophan](#):
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> Looking for sympathy and high fives? It’s clear _you’ve_ never read the thread you’re talking about if you think that’s why people post there.

Not _people_. Just you. High fives are _exactly_ what you thought you’d get there.

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> What I got was what I wanted, which is confirmation that you’re an absolute cockwomble.

I know you like people in animal suits, but dude, stop picturing me that way.

And I got enough confirmation that you’re a cowardly pussyman who runs away when he’s properly pitted, too.

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> Just based solely on this thread, that’s not true.

The thread where you double down on “Blacks are subhuman” not being a racist thing to say? _That_ thread?

Dude, you’re already in the trench, no need to keep digging while you’re there.

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> You’re throwing out wild accusations at people with no evidence

Her stupid analogy post is right there.

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> calling people racists, liars, and whatever else, without cause.

Idiot crazy man, you’ve been caught out in two lies in this thread alone. So either a) post a link to me admitting being a racist AND b) stay the fuck out of the thread where you said you were “done” with me, or else just own up to being the liar everyone can see you are.

The racist-loving, I’m afraid, is out there for everyone to see already, nothing you do is going to help with that. But post the evidence and then shut the fuck up, and you won’t be a liar anymore. So you’ll have that going for you, anyway.

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> If you actually were better than anyone else, you’d be both willing and able to actually refute what anyone’s said, rather than continuing with the spittle-flecked rage and paranoia that characterises your posts.

Your _mom_ has my refutation… tattooed on her ass.  
This a _pitting_ of you, you stupid, yiffing stalker. I don’t need to refute jack, I just need _you_ to keep posting and having the crazy spill all out from your keyboard, like your jism slowly drips into on your teddy bear’s eye.

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> I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again - get help. At the absolute minimum, you need some way to get some perspective, and quite possibly much more than that.

Take you mock-concern and stuff it up the hole in the cactus I’m about to invite you to go fuck, you lying, racist-loving sack of syphilitic donkey cocks.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/162 "2015-03-22T09:20:24Z")

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> [@Steophan](#):
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> And the irony is that, when called out on your own bigotry, which you are happy to express in derogatory terms, you double down on it.

Utterly , provably, bullshit. When I’ve been correctly called on using a racist term on this board, I stopped using it. I didn’t “double down” on jack.

Unlike all those sailors doubling down on your Mom…

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**Author:** ![HeXen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@HeXen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeXen)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/163 "2015-03-22T09:43:19Z")

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What IF blacks were superior to any other race? Would something that might be considered a positive outlook change the offense?

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/164 "2015-03-22T10:30:02Z")

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> [@HeXen](#):
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> What IF blacks were superior to any other race? Would something that might be considered a positive outlook change the offense?

No.

It’s _just_ as racist to say Asians are genetically endowed with superior intelligence as it is to say Blacks are subhuman.

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**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/165 "2015-03-22T14:40:49Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> No, I think it’s making analogies comparing people to dogs that makes you a big old racist. Are we supposed to be glad it wasn’t cockroaches?

Well, my analogy wouldn’t really have worked then because I’m singularly unkind to cockroaches, if I see one I generally stalk it and gleefully murder it with either chemical weapons or my bare hands.

I was making a point about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

And since this is the pit

My god, you’re really stupid.

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**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/166 "2015-03-22T15:16:41Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Utterly , provably, bullshit. When I’ve been correctly called on using a racist term on this board, I stopped using it. I didn’t “double down” on jack.

So, only racism counts as bigotry now, and your constant insults towards the mentally ill, or those who’s sexuality you don’t like, doesn’t count now? No-one I’ve seen here has said anything as remotely as bad against any race as you’ve said against those things in this thread alone.

You’re a hypocrite. You are quite happy to use the language of bigotry to insult someone you don’t like, and yet you cry everytime you even think someone’s doing the same to you, even when they’re obviously not doing so.

And the even sadder thing is you’re using those insults as a way to ignore the actual debate. I’ve laid out my argument quite clearly, in this thread and others, and your response? “CRAZY!! TOYFUCKER!!! RACIST!! LIAR!!”. You really think that does anything apart from make you look bad?

Oh, and you follow me to another board, start a thread about me here, and then call _me_ a stalker. There’s something massively off about your perception of things. I’d guess that your projecting, to be honest, that you’re assuming everybody is the same as you.

Like I’ve said before, get help.

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**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/167 "2015-03-22T15:24:47Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> No.
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> It’s _just_ as racist to say Asians are genetically endowed with superior intelligence as it is to say Blacks are subhuman.

How about if it’s true?

Oh, and you can now go apologize **Ann Hedonia**. But I have this off feeling you won’t. You demented imbecile.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/168 "2015-03-22T15:38:29Z")

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> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#):
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> I was making a point about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Yeah, that explains it…  
…no, wait, it totally doesn’t. _Why_ you made the stupid analogy isn’t the issue.  
The issue is that you made an analogy comparing animals to people who look different from you.

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> My god, you’re really stupid.

I’m not the one making tortured analogies…  
If I have some point to make, I generally just try and make it without comparing people who look different from me to animals.

> [@magellan01](#):
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> How about if it’s true?

Is it racial? Then it’s racist.

And it can’t ever be true, because genetic races don’t exist. Idiot.

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> Oh, and you can now go apologize **Ann Hedonia**.

Why? She hasn’t explained herself at all.

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> But I have this off feeling you won’t.

What do you know, the monkey can find the peanut occasionally…

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> You demented imbecile.

You racist shitstain.

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**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/169 "2015-03-22T15:39:29Z")

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> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Emphasis added to **BG’s** post, but that’s it in a nutshell. Not sure how anyone can improve on that.

Agreed.

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**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/170 "2015-03-22T15:45:37Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Is it racial? Then it’s racist.

Nope. And for those playing along at home, _this_ is how we know that he doesn’t know what racism is.

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**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/171 "2015-03-22T15:45:45Z")

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> [@HeXen](#):
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> What IF blacks were superior to any other race? Would something that might be considered a positive outlook change the offense?

Considering that for centuries the idea that blacks were subhuman, inferior, stupid, or something similar was used to justify slavery, Jim Crow, and worse I don’t think those phrases can be comparable.

Words and phrases don’t exist in a vacuum.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/172 "2015-03-22T16:04:39Z")

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> [@Steophan](#):
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> So, only racism counts as bigotry now

Where did I say that? All I did was give one example where I did roll back bigoted language.

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> , and your constant insults towards the mentally ill, or those who’s sexuality you don’t like, doesn’t count now?

Yes, dear, any day now, this pitting will turn around…fake that outrage harder, you can do it!

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> No-one I’ve seen here has said anything as remotely as bad against any race as you’ve said against those things in this thread alone.

Oh, my heart bleeds for all the schizophrenic teddyfuckers, for they are truly the oppressed ones :rolleyes:

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> You’re a hypocrite.

Yep, any day now…

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> You are quite happy to use the language of bigotry to insult someone you don’t like

…aaaaany day…

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> And the even sadder thing is you’re using those insults as a way to ignore the actual debate.

What fucking debate, you demented loon? I’m not debating you! I’m here strictly to expose your idiotic racist-loving ass, and point and laugh at you. You’re truly fucking mental if you think I give a shit what excuses you come up with. Your own idiocy is right there in the thread title. Everything after that is just telling you what a truly worthless waste of oxygen you are.

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> I’ve laid out my argument quite clearly, in this thread and others

Yes, we all know you think it’s not racist to say “Blacks are subhuman”, guy. Like I said, it’s there in the header. No need to continue to post your pro-racist screed here.

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> , and your response? “CRAZY!! TOYFUCKER!!! RACIST!! LIAR!!”. You really think that does anything apart from make you look bad?

It’s quite cathartic, actually. It’s doing me a world of good.

It helps that the bits that matter - that you excuse racism, that you are a liar, that you’re insane - you’ve done a great job of showing yourself, just from your participation in this thread.

The teddyfucking - well, you haven’t denied it yet!

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> Oh, and you follow me to another board, start a thread about me here, and then call _me_ a stalker.

Pitting you is not the same as stalking you, you moronic microdicked goatfelcher. Especially since I created this pitting at the request of someone else.

Now, if you had any balls, _you’d_ have pitted _me_ ages ago, rather than leaping out like a racist-loving idiot every time I actually say a racist is being a racist. I mean, you wouldn’t be the first (not that\*\* MostlyUseless\*\*'s pitting of me went any better than yours would go if you had the stones to do it)

But of course, we’ve already established you’ve not got the nerve.  
You’re the Cowardly Liar, but the kind of Wizard you suck up to isn’t going to be able to help you with that problem.

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> I’d guess that your projecting, to be honest, that you’re assuming everybody is the same as you.

No, quite clearly some people are racists and grammar-challenged racist-lovers, and I’m neither. So I already know you and your racist friends are not the same as me.

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> Like I’ve said before, get help.

Like I’ve said before, go fuck a cactus with your fake concern. The only help I’d like is help getting rid of you, and all the racists whose asses your tongue keeps cleaning.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/173 "2015-03-22T16:05:48Z")

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> [@Steophan](#):
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> Nope. And for those playing along at home, _this_ is how we know that he doesn’t know what racism is.

Said the liar who thinks “Blacks are subhuman” isn’t racist…

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**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/174 "2015-03-22T16:07:34Z")

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> [@SpoilerVirgin](#):
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> Absolutely – that’s why I said that the “more likely to” construction “can be a non-racist statement, depending on context.”
> 
> To sum up:
> 
> “Black people are more likely to…” = sometimes racist, sometimes not  
> “[All] black people are…” = always racist
> 
> So as **kaylasdad99** indicated, all of the statements listed by **magellan01** are racist.

Well, that leaves us back where we started, as far as my previous list of questions:

> [@me](#):
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> I think there are two things we can definitely agree make someone racist:  
> (1) treating someone more poorly due to their race  
> (2) believing that knowing someone’s race allows you to judge their value as a human being
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> To me the debatable sticky point (and I freely admit that these are generally NOT the types of positions one actually encounteres “in the wild” very often, but hey, if we can’t debate crazy hypotheticals what’s the point of debating?) are positions like:  
> (3) believing, and believing that there is objective evidence for this belief, that there are differences in the average characteristics of people in different races, without necessarily making that a value judgment  
> and its stronger cousin  
> (4) believing, and believing that there is objective evidence for this belief, that there are GENETIC differences in the average characteristics of people in different races, without necessarily making that a value judgment
> 
> An example of 3 or 4 would be someone who notices that the NBA is dominated by black people, and believes that black people are better than white people, ON AVERAGE, at basketball. (“On average” could be shorthand here for “is more likely to produce people at the extreme end of the bell curve”, it doesn’t necessarily have to mean taking every black guy and assigning them a basketball skills score and doing the same for every white guy, and averaging those numbers.)
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> And I think many people would be generally accepting of that belief, regardless of whether it’s a type 3 or a type 4 belief. The problem is, there’s really no difference between that and “white people are better than black people, ON AVERAGE, at xxx”, where xxx is just about any human endeavor. If it’s NOT racist to say that blacks are better than whites at basketball, then is not also NOT racist to say that whites are better than blacks at, say, calculus? Why or why not? What’s the difference? **Is it only racist if it involves mental as opposed to physical pursuits? Is it only racist if it’s the dominant majority being judged as better at whatever the skill is? Is it only racist if the belief is that it’s genetic and inborn, not cultural?**

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**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/175 "2015-03-22T16:08:36Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> If I have some point to make, I generally just try and make it without comparing people who look different from me to animals.

No, you stupid fuck. She was using animals as a stand-in for people—ALL people. I’m beginning to think Chen and CP might be onto something.😃 Regardless, you’re doing a helluva job doing what you can to bring that average down.

> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Is it racial? Then it’s racist.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Wait—I thought there was no such thing as races. Hahahahaha. The above is the wellspring from where most of your dumbfuckness springs. I say most, only because you seem to have so much of it there must be other sources. And something else to explain how you got so broken.

> [@MrDibble](#):
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> And it can’t ever be true, because genetic races don’t exist.

That’s some funny shit right there. Your old fallback. You say races don’t exist, yet you enter multiple threads and argue as if they do. You even cry against “Racist” and argue the difference between _racial_ and _racist_. And get it wrong every time! You repeatedly find yourself in a corner and then yell, “Race?! There’s no such thing as race!” You’re an entertaining lad, I’ll give you that. I know it’s not intentional, but at least it’s something. You dumb broken fuck.

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**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/176 "2015-03-22T16:10:32Z")

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> [@Steophan](#):
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> Nope. And for those playing along at home, _this_ is how we know that he doesn’t know what racism is.

While I don’t agree with you on the point you’ve been arguing, there is no doubt that **Dribbles** is a fucking idiot with a warped view of the world inside his warped head.

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**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/177 "2015-03-22T16:16:53Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Yes, we all know you think it’s not racist to say “Blacks are subhuman”, guy.

If you think you “know” that, you need to learn to read my posts for comprehension.

But hey, good job in the rest of the post doubling down on your bigotry and hypocrisy. And if you think this thread is going well for you and badly for me, then (once again) you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Or just go back to insulting people for their mental health problems or sexual proclivities, then claiming you’re not a bigot. It is to laugh.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/178 "2015-03-22T16:17:12Z")

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> [@MaxTheVool](#):
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> Well, that leaves us back where we started, as far as my previous list of questions:

I’ve [explored this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=707178) before, and this is what I think: assertions about inherent (e.g. genetic) racial differences in _fundamental human characteristics_ – those qualities that are most intrinsic to what makes us human – are probably racist. These qualities include things like intelligence, work ethic, kindness, aggression, integrity, honesty, trustworthiness, etc. – things linked to mental ability and moral character.

Not-so-coincidentally, throughout human history, the tragedies and catastrophes of racism have been largely due to/justified by assertions about the supposed lesser nature of various qualities among these ‘intrinsic human qualities’ – slavery and apartheid were ‘justified’ by assertions about inferior black intelligence, work ethic, supposed greater aggression, lust, etc. The Holocaust was ‘justified’ by assertions about inferior honesty, trustworthiness, integrity, and supposed treachery of Jews.

These aren’t necessarily the only kinds of assertions that are probably racist, but I think they are the great majority and usually the most problematic, as well as the assertions with the worst history behind them.

I would classify such assertions as different than assertions about freckles, skin color, sprinting ability, height, lactose tolerance, etc.

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**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/179 "2015-03-22T16:18:29Z")

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> [@MaxTheVool](#):
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> The problem is, there’s really no difference between that and “white people are better than black people, ON AVERAGE, at xxx”, where xxx is just about any human endeavor. If it’s NOT racist to say that blacks are better than whites at basketball, then is not also NOT racist to say that whites are better than blacks at, say, calculus? Why or why not? What’s the difference? Is it only racist if it involves mental as opposed to physical pursuits? Is it only racist if it’s the dominant majority being judged as better at whatever the skill is? Is it only racist if the belief is that it’s genetic and inborn, not cultural?  
> I don’t have a good definition here, but I think that it’s facile to simply say that any sentence which begins “black people are…” is automatically racist. (Although it’s overwhelmingly likely that anyone who spends a lot of time MAKING such statements, no matter how hedged around by disclaimers, is racist.)

Actually, dehumanization is part of it too. Even if the statement is “Purple-skinned people are better at calculus,” it dehumanizeses a purple person, denying their individual life history, educational effort, and hard work, denying them individual achievement and claiming that _their_ work is a result of their _skin color_. That’s racist too. For someone of the same race as the you, you might acknowledge their personal achievements, while for someone of the other skin color, you deny those personal achievements and look literally no further than the surface of their skin.

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**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-blacks-are-subhuman-is-either-true-or-false-and-by-itself-has-no-moral-component/715514/180 "2015-03-22T16:19:35Z")

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> [@magellan01](#):
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> While I don’t agree with you on the point you’ve been arguing, there is no doubt that **Dribbles** is a fucking idiot with a warped view of the world inside his warped head.

Which is fair enough, he’s the only one of the people who disagree with me who feels the need to use gratuitous, bigoted insults whilst doing so.

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