# Steophan- engage in argument with cites and facts rather than unsupported belief. Stop running away. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 8, 2015, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515 "2015-03-08T09:41:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/21 "2015-03-08T11:26:01Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > I am tired of you shtick. > > You fire from the hip with unsupported opinions and when faced with well supported points contrary to your views you either ignore the cites, wriggle embarrassingly or just absent yourself until the argument dies down. It is close to trolling. > > … > [@Pjen](#): > > I should point out that I have decided to not respond on this thread to anyone other than Steophan. > [@Pjen](#): > > Which is exactly the way you respond to all debate, except using more gilded language- all personal belief and no cite. > > …responding with real debate rather than just expressing an unsupported opinion. > [@Ravenman](#): > > Oh, this is rich. **Pjen** criticizing the way others debate. yes, the comments made are funny in a ironic way. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/22 "2015-03-08T11:27:27Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I repeat: > > “You are a poopy head, and your posts are silly.” You are demonstrating my contention that you debate without cites, without argument and without honour. One more chance to start to debate this. “Do you accept that there is a Corpus of legislation and case law which together may be seen as a British Constitution?” If you fail to engage on this thread or on a GD thread today, I will block you so that I do not see your half truths and you lose whatever gain you get from acting like a total arse. Your choice… ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/23 "2015-03-08T11:32:26Z")
What may be the most funny is that Pjen actually appears to think this is effective. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/24 "2015-03-08T11:33:02Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > If you fail to engage on this thread or on a GD thread today, I will block you so that I do not see your half truths and you lose whatever gain you get from acting like a total arse. > > Your choice… Oh no, the horror! How will I cope without a poopy head posting silly responses to my posts? ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/25 "2015-03-08T11:37:52Z")
Well that’s decided then. If you cannot debate rationally as an adult, the there is no need to read your bullshit. Blocking you will clear most of the crap from the threads. What a relief. Goodbye ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/26 "2015-03-08T11:45:38Z")
That was productive. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/27 "2015-03-08T12:01:39Z")
Ow, we want the funk Give up the funk Ow, we need the funk We gotta have that funk ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/28 "2015-03-08T12:48:49Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > when faced with well supported points contrary to your views you either ignore the cites, wriggle embarrassingly or **just absent yourself** **until the argument dies down**. It is close to trolling. > > **Stand up for yourself and debate in a grown-up fashion** using supportive cites from the real world rather than just spouting your personal ideology. > > … > > **I challenge you specifically to engage in debate** over your contention … > [@Pjen](#): > > I should point out that I have decided to not respond on this thread to anyone other than Steophan. > > Do feel free to comment but I am only going to engage in debate on the issue with Steophan. My irony meter just went BOOM. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/29 "2015-03-08T12:53:04Z")
Boom with tha FUNK. (It’s ok, kayaker. I got it right away.) OW! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/30 "2015-03-08T13:06:13Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > I am tired of you shtick. > > You fire from the hip with unsupported opinions and when faced with well supported points contrary to your views you either ignore the cites, wriggle embarrassingly or just absent yourself until the argument dies down. It is close to trolling. Bold words for someone who doesn’t provide a single link. Given that nobody’s agreed with you so far, but everybody’s agreeing with **Steophan** ’s opinion of you, I’m inclined to believe that you are, in fact, a poopy head. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/31 "2015-03-08T13:39:20Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I’ll be glad when you’re banned. You rascal you. Couldn’t agree more. Pot calling the kettle black-arse. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/32 "2015-03-08T13:46:39Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > That was productive. not until your privilege is applied to all of us. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/33 "2015-03-08T15:34:35Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Pick Up The Pieces. Now you have me confused. First it was Parliament, then it was the Supremes, and now it’s Average White Band? Just where is this discussion going, and when will it get out of the Seventies? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/34 "2015-03-08T15:40:25Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Now you have me confused. First it was Parliament, then it was the Supremes, and now it’s Average White Band? Just where is this discussion going, and when will it get out of the Seventies? Just feeling the funk. Was listening to [Big Sam’s Funky Nation,](http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sam's_Funky_Nation) a great reason to visit NOLA. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/35 "2015-03-08T15:51:02Z")
I should point out that I have decided to have buttermilk pancakes for breakfast this morning. Do feel free to comment but I am only going to engage in debate on the issue with **Pjen**. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/36 "2015-03-08T15:56:25Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > My irony meter just went BOOM. **Pjen** threads should be specially tagged as irony meter High Risk Zones. Uh-oh - have I committed “hyperbole” again? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/37 "2015-03-08T16:14:51Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > That was productive. Yes, mucus was expelled. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/38 "2015-03-08T16:24:43Z")
Snots were fired. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/39 "2015-03-08T16:30:50Z")
I’m waiting for the results of the Snottish everendum. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/40 "2015-03-08T16:37:16Z")
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