# Steophan- engage in argument with cites and facts rather than unsupported belief. Stop running away. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 8, 2015, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515 "2015-03-08T09:41:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/41 "2015-03-08T16:47:34Z")
I didn’t think I’d see anyone accused of debating “without honour”. What is this, the 19th Century? Are we next going to see a demand for “pistols at dawn”. ---
**Author:** ![desertmonk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@desertmonk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/desertmonk)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/42 "2015-03-08T17:13:40Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I should point out that I have decided to have buttermilk pancakes for breakfast this morning. > > Do feel free to comment but I am only going to engage in debate on the issue with **Pjen**. Outrage! It’s waffles or else. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/43 "2015-03-08T17:59:03Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=738692&page=12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=738692&page=12) If anyone wants their mind boggled check out the last few pages of the U.K. election thread. Pjen has one stretch of 15 damn posts in a row. After one apparently devastating point made she ends with “over to you” then proceeds to post six more times. Steophan wasn’t exactly helping stop the hijack either, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/44 "2015-03-08T18:01:07Z")
It is only because you are committing ad hominem against her in saying anything about her and that you are an english nationalist that you see any problems and do not agree with her. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/45 "2015-03-08T18:14:13Z")
This started off so well. I suppose we need a separate thread for, rather than, by **Pjen**. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/46 "2015-03-08T18:30:14Z")
> [@desertmonk](#): > > Outrage! It’s waffles or else. The waffle\* is a Scottish invention appropriated by Parliament, and any attempt to lay claim to it is a violation of European Law. - From the Gaelic \* Uef Lach\*, or “plaid toast”. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/47 "2015-03-08T19:02:15Z")
The recent flood of IMHO slapfights in The Pit reminds me of a junior high prom planning committee. This one was still funny and worth the read though. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/48 "2015-03-08T19:07:06Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > I repeat: > > “Do you accept that there is a Corpus of legislation and case law which together may be seen as a British Constitution?” “And, if you do so accept, do you accept that Parliament is bound by it, such that some of its actions may, in theory, be declared unconstitutional and thus invalid?” Because, if a Constitution can’t be used to invalidate the acts of a government, what good is it? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/49 "2015-03-08T19:24:32Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > I repeat: > > “Do you accept that there is a Corpus of legislation and case law which together may be seen as a British Constitution?” Yes. Wait. What have I just signed? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/50 "2015-03-08T19:26:39Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Yes. Wait. What have I just signed? Hah hah! Now you’re British! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/51 "2015-03-08T19:34:32Z")
Does she ever post about anything else? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/52 "2015-03-08T19:48:57Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Hah hah! Now you’re British! Blimey! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/53 "2015-03-08T20:45:09Z")
Bangers. And mash. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/54 "2015-03-08T21:27:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Does she ever post about anything else? I _think_ **Pjen** is a he. Don’t quote me. Anything else than what? The Scottish referendum? Or the U.K. general election? Or the latest horrible thing the United States is doing? I was absolutely entranced by the opportunity to follow a thread with our Scottish and other U.K. posters commenting on the referendum. I’m also very interested in the upcoming U.K. election. Also, frankly, I’m interested in what people from other countries view as issues with the U.S. **Pjen** makes such threads useless. His/Her prejudices, inanities, and inability to shut the fuck up every once in a while is what make those threads useless. (I mean, 40% of the posts in the U.K. election thread? Really? Most of which are not ever responding to other posters, but are some sort of chain-of-thought type posts.) **Pjen** ’s responses to other poster’s comments indicate that he/she is not actually listening to them, but only thinking about what he/she will post next in response to what he/she had already decided that they are saying. That style of communication doesn’t work on a message board any better than it does in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/55 "2015-03-08T21:32:53Z")
> [@](#): > > I think Pjen is a he. Don’t quote me. I think she mentioned sometime that she’s originally English and her husband is Scottish. Unless he’s gay. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/56 "2015-03-08T21:59:49Z")
The OP lost me when comparing [a murderer](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=722235) to Rosa Parks. I hate the death penalty but that was one seriously offensive bit of stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/57 "2015-03-08T22:37:22Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I didn’t think I’d see anyone accused of debating “without honour”. > > What is this, the 19th Century? > > Are we next going to see a demand for “pistols at dawn”. I like the idea of saying “You are debating without honor” in a Michael Dorn impression. It gives me the funny idea of a Klingon debating society. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2015, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/58 "2015-03-08T22:56:30Z")
Bow wow wow yippee yo yippee yay. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/59 "2015-03-09T02:02:10Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The waffle\* is a Scottish invention appropriated by Parliament, and any attempt to lay claim to it is a violation of European Law. > > - From the Gaelic \* Uef Lach\*, or “plaid toast”. The Belgians are gonna be _PISSED_. If you really want to set them off, start making colcannon with Brussels Sprouts in place of cabbage. Or, you know, get the Irish to do it… ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515/60 "2015-03-09T03:45:20Z")
Who thinks Pjen would be happier if he put everyone on ignore? The difference in posting style and tone would probably be unnoticeable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-engage-in-argument-with-cites-and-facts-rather-than-unsupported-belief-stop-running-away/714515.md?page=4)