# Steophan is an arrogant and amoral prick **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 21, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735 "2012-11-21T17:24:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![betenoire39](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@betenoire39](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoire39)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/21 "2012-11-21T18:36:33Z")
Seriously, I have to ask of you and that\*\* Steophan\*\* prick, is this an internet only thing or do people know your views? ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/22 "2012-11-21T18:38:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’ve said this over and over and over, you stupid troll - I believe those parts of Zimmerman’s testimony that are backed up by evidence. You (and that clown **betenoire39** ) cannot seem to come up with any evidence for your wilder accusations. > > Look, you are a drug dealer and thug, so naturally you are going to sympathize with the criminals in any situation. We understand that. But let’s not let the fact that you were dropped on your head as a child interfere with the legal justice system here in the US. > > Regards, > Shodan And you, dear sir, are an enormous prick, and I’m not complimenting your woman/man-pleasing capacity. And actually, the criminal here is Zimmerman, dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/23 "2012-11-21T18:42:24Z")
> [@betenoire39](#): > > … We are talking about the Trayvon Martin case… Oh. Let me know when it’s made into a movie; I’ll be sure not to watch it. But since I clicked this thread unsuspectingly, let me _stand my ground_ rather than go away cowardly. 😉 Suppose Zimmerman were the black man, and Martin were a young white Republican. Does anyone imagine, for a single second, that Shodan and his ilk wouldn’t reverse their positions? _“The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity.”_ – André Gide > [@](#): > > The hypocrite’s crime is that he bears false witness against himself. What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core. ---
**Author:** ![betenoire39](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@betenoire39](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoire39)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/24 "2012-11-21T18:49:29Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Suppose Zimmerman were the black man, and Martin were a young white Republican. Does anyone imagine, for a single second, that Shodan and his ilk wouldn’t reverse their positions? I can certainly imagine many of them shifting… In this case, the stereotypes would be applied to Zimmerman and not Martin. The talk about “gangsta culture”, superior athleticism, rap music, anger and rage, etc. would be projected on Zimmerman. They will talk about his online screen-name not as a reflection of his mindset or disposition, but as a stupid teenager who maybe liked certain types of music, etc. Many of these posters have linked Martin’s online name as a reflection of his purported violent tendencies. They write that Martin “doubled-back” because he was offended as a black person that Zimmerman question him–not that they have ANY fucking evidence for it, but that’s their “logical” explanation. This is the shit I have been dealing with, and the attitudes I have been dealing with. ---
**Author:** ![betenoire39](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@betenoire39](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoire39)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/25 "2012-11-21T18:54:50Z")
Any attempts to question these people about these illogical and bigoted beliefs have been met with insults and downright garbage. I asked **Shodan** if I think he should be painted as a computer hacker because of the screenname he chose. I am a computer person too and if you don’t know shodan is a search engine that can find system vulnerabilities. So, because his screenname is **Shodan** , by his reasoning, he should be considered to be a hacker of some sort. See the bullshit? Of course, he had no answer. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/26 "2012-11-21T19:04:12Z")
> [@betenoire39](#): > > So… > **This guy isn’t even from the US and is telling me, who has served on a jury, what the law is and how the court systems work.** > > The nerve of these people. > > . What a fucking bigoted, egotistical statement. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/27 "2012-11-21T19:18:45Z")
Wait, I thought that thread was for humble opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/28 "2012-11-21T19:26:25Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > You’ve served on a jury?? And someone on the Internet isn’t accepting you as a legal expert? > > This is very shocking. I’m shocked. Hey I served on a jury too, so that makes me the legalest expert in the world!! ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/29 "2012-11-21T19:36:50Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > Hey I served on a jury too, so that makes me the legalest expert in the world!! Hey, I served on a _grand_ jury, thankyewverymuch, so I’ll be the judge of what passes legal muster around here. ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/30 "2012-11-21T19:41:59Z")
I’ve never served on a jury, but I’ve been in a courtroom where when the jury came out after deliberating, a man on it thought he hadn’t been noticed when he discreetly held 2 fingers up to the detective involved with the case, and then the jury declared they’d found the defendant guilty on count 2 of grievious bodily harm. I’ve wondered since what kind of influence he’d had among the rest of the jurors and how well he knew that detective. ---
**Author:** ![betenoire39](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@betenoire39](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoire39)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/31 "2012-11-21T19:47:19Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Hey, I served on a _grand_ jury, thankyewverymuch, so I’ll be the judge of what passes legal muster around here. We have a winner!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/32 "2012-11-21T20:09:15Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > What a fucking bigoted, egotistical statement. Also kind of dumb. But you have to make allowances - **betenoire39** announced, early in his participation in the thread, that he believed that Zimmerman had an accomplice. He never did come up with any evidence for this belief, but it kind of set the tone for the rest of his offerings. which seem to originate from a grassy knoll. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/33 "2012-11-21T20:17:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Also kind of dumb. > > But you have to make allowances - **betenoire39** announced, early in his participation in the thread, that he believed that Zimmerman had an accomplice. He never did come up with any evidence for this belief, but it kind of set the tone for the rest of his offerings. which seem to originate from a grassy knoll. > > Regards, > Shodan That you are unwilling to even contemplate he had an accomplice, despite knowing how gung-ho he obviously was about protecting the neighbourhood, and that he’d just saw this “asshole” outside his buddy Frank Taafe’s AGAIN, tells us just how much shit you are willing to swallow to defend your man. For all you know, Z might have had another phone in his vehicle, and was texting Taafe as he spoke to the dispatcher. Maybe that’s why he sounded so distracted? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/34 "2012-11-21T20:25:50Z")
> [@betenoire39](#): > > Even the resident lawyer **Bricker** said that the substance exists for at least a manslaughter charge… I have to post here to note with wry amusement how both sides of this argument seem to regard me as on the opposing side. I deduce this from the phrase “Even Bricker says…” which seems to suggest that even though he’s your side, he agrees with me on this much. When **Terr** says “Even Bricker…” it’s because I’m pointing out flaws on the Zimmerman side; when **betenoire39** says it, I’m pointing out flaws on the Martin side. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/35 "2012-11-21T20:28:19Z")
> [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > That you are unwilling to even contemplate he had an accomplice, despite knowing how gung-ho he obviously was about protecting the neighbourhood, and that he’d just saw this “asshole” outside his buddy Frank Taafe’s AGAIN, tells us just how much shit you are willing to swallow to defend your man. Oh, this ought to be good. As I fear our friend **betenoire39** is not destined to be long among us, perhaps you might assume his mantle of Dumb-assery, and defend his delusions. Please provide even a smidgeon - just the teensiest, weensiest indication - that Zimmerman had an accomplice. Martin didn’t mention anyone other than Zimmerman. No one else saw anyone. Dee Dee didn’t say anything about it. There is no physical evidence. This gives valuable information about the value of your thought processes. > [@](#): > > Z might have had another phone in his vehicle And what, pray tell, happened to that phone? Did Zimmerman quickly swallow it before being punched in the face, or did he run back to his truck after shooting Martin and whisk it off into the ninth dimension? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/36 "2012-11-21T20:28:27Z")
See, even **Bricker** thinks this is a stupid Pit thread! ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/37 "2012-11-21T20:30:01Z")
I got out of a couple of speeding tickets, without a lawyer. I beat you all in legal expertise! ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/38 "2012-11-21T20:36:40Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > See, even **Bricker** thinks this is a stupid Pit thread! But he’s on the other side (of something, I know not what)! > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > I got out of a couple of speeding tickets, without a lawyer. I beat you all in legal expertise! Well, my brother spent a night in jail so that trumps you all!! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/39 "2012-11-21T20:38:27Z")
I was watching _Perry Mason_ reruns before your brother was even born! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735/40 "2012-11-21T20:39:46Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Oh, this ought to be good. As I fear our friend **betenoire39** is not destined to be long among us, perhaps you might assume his mantle of Dumb-assery, and defend his delusions. > > Please provide even a smidgeon - just the teensiest, weensiest indication - that Zimmerman had an accomplice. Martin didn’t mention anyone other than Zimmerman. No one else saw anyone. Dee Dee didn’t say anything about it. There is no physical evidence. There’s at least one witness who says it sounded like a few people were beating up one person, there’s the mysterious person in a white t-shirt who was spotted in the area, when none of the protagonists were wearing a white t-shirt. We’ve got his buddy Osterman very quickly on the scene. We’ve got a moment on his nen call where he is obviously not addressing the dispatcher. “They’ll see my truck.” then, in a whispering tone…“the keys are in my truck”. It’s only your obvious hard-on for Z and his crime-fighting abilities that is stopping you from seeing this. > [@Shodan](#): > > This gives valuable information about the value of your thought processes. > And what, pray tell, happened to that phone? Did Zimmerman quickly swallow it before being punched in the face, or did he run back to his truck after shooting Martin and whisk it off into the ninth dimension? > > Regards, > Shodan No, he left it in his truck, which was driven away by his wife, you dumb twat. Only a person who didn’t WANT to believe it would deny it was possible. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-is-an-arrogant-and-amoral-prick/641735.md?page=3)