# Steophan, stop spreading ignorance. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 18, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723 "2014-10-18T17:28:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/1 "2014-10-18T17:28:58Z")
Steophan, your ability to pull non-existent laws out of your ass and parade them about asserting that they exist is impressive, but the simple fact remains that shit is shit, so how about you stop shitting up the “[Were these video poker players cheaters and/or unethical?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=737656)” thread, ‘cause your eruditions are dribbling down your leg and stinking up the thread. > [@Were these video poker players cheaters and/or unethical?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/were-these-video-poker-players-cheaters-and-or-unethical/701639/35): > > The rules of casino blackjack specifically disallow card counting. Well, my smelly little ball of defecate derision, you have been asked repeatedly to provide proof of your assertion, but you have not done so. Put up or shut up – or more correctly, put up or start wearing a butt plug to contain your statements of law, you odious little ignoramus. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/2 "2014-10-18T17:32:21Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Steophan, your ability to pull non-existent laws out of your ass and parade them about asserting that they exist is impressive, but the simple fact remains that shit is shit, so how about you stop shitting up the “[Were these video poker players cheaters and/or unethical?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=737656)” thread, ‘cause your eruditions are dribbling down your leg and stinking up the thread. > > Well, my smelly little ball of defecate derision, you have been asked repeatedly to provide proof of your assertion, but you have not done so. > > Put up or shut up – or more correctly, put up or start wearing a butt plug to contain your statements of law, you odious little ignoramus. he didn’t say it was illegal (note that in a paragraph you didn’t quote he said “it’s not necessarily criminal.”) He said it was “against the rules.” Which it usually is, if the casino catches you or suspects you of card counting, they’ll toss you out. if you want a cite here you go: [Ben Affleck's Card Counting 'Had to Have Been Blatant,' Expert Jeff Ma Says](http://www.people.com/article/ben-affleck-card-counting-blackjack-explained) ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/3 "2014-10-18T18:12:29Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > he didn’t say it was illegal (note that in a paragraph you didn’t quote he said “it’s not necessarily criminal.”) He said it was “against the rules.” Which it usually is, if the casino catches you or suspects you of card counting, they’ll toss you out. if you want a cite here you go: [Ben Affleck's Card Counting 'Had to Have Been Blatant,' Expert Jeff Ma Says](http://www.people.com/article/ben-affleck-card-counting-blackjack-explained) No, it is not. Steophan was asked to provide a cite to that effect and he failed to address the request, and nowhere in your cite is it stated that counting cards is violating any rule of either the casino or the game itself. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/4 "2014-10-18T18:15:08Z")
Correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t casinos throw out and even ban whoever they want, for any reason whatsoever or for no reason at all? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/5 "2014-10-18T18:19:37Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t casinos throw out and even ban whoever they want, for any reason whatsoever or for no reason at all? That is correct. Casinos don’t necessarily have anything against counting cards, they object to patrons winning consistently. You could sit there with a notepad, a calculator, and an abacus, but as long you lose, they don’t give a shit. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/6 "2014-10-18T18:23:14Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t casinos throw out and even ban whoever they want, for any reason whatsoever or for no reason at all? They can and do consistently for card counting so I don’t know what other definition of “against the rules” could apply. Although apparently, it’s not against the rules[in New Jersey](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_counting#United_States). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/7 "2014-10-18T18:24:39Z")
I thought this was going to be about the “suicide by mod” **Steophan** is doing in the ATMB forum. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17826087#post17826087](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17826087#post17826087) With the effort starting in earnest at post #47 and beginning to get warnings in #71 ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/8 "2014-10-18T18:28:08Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t casinos throw out and even ban whoever they want, for any reason whatsoever or for no reason at all? In Nevada, yes, in New Jersey, no. I don’t know much about other jurisdictions. In any case, read [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17825875&postcount=52) and its followups in the other thread for a more precise explanation of what’s actually being discussed. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/9 "2014-10-18T19:21:41Z")
The problem is, while he did originally say it was against the rules, later in the thread he seems to be equating “against the rules” with “against the law.” He’s had ample opportunity to say “I didn’t mean it was illegal, just against the rules.” ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/10 "2014-10-18T20:41:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I thought this was going to be about the “suicide by mod” **Steophan** is doing in the ATMB forum. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17826087#post17826087](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17826087#post17826087) > > With the effort starting in earnest at post #47 and beginning to get warnings in #71 Well, I didn’t know about that, but considering Steophan’s racism and utter stupidity, upon reading the OP all I can think is “Of all the things he’s done and said, this is what you’re going to attack him for?” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/11 "2014-10-18T20:50:58Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I thought this was going to be about the “suicide by mod” **Steophan** is doing in the ATMB forum. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17826087#post17826087](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17826087#post17826087) > > With the effort starting in earnest at post #47 and beginning to get warnings in #71 Hey, how did **kayaker** close that thread? Is he hiding secret mod powers? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/12 "2014-10-18T21:09:23Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Hey, how did **kayaker** close that thread? Is he hiding secret mod powers? His hero is Teddy Roosevelt; **kayaker** floats softly and carries a big paddle. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/13 "2014-10-18T21:36:47Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Hey, how did **kayaker** close that thread? Is he hiding secret mod powers? Either that or he’s got ESP. As for the OP… fail. Steophan is not comporting himself well in that thread but this seems pretty damn petty. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/14 "2014-10-18T21:38:50Z")
If anyone followed his evasions, reframings and incorrect citations in the [IP and copyright](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=664752) thread, they already know he’s full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/15 "2014-10-18T22:40:30Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Hey, how did **kayaker** close that thread? Is he hiding secret mod powers? No, just ESP. It’s not like Stevie Wonder couldn’t have seen that coming though. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/16 "2014-10-19T01:44:32Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Well, I didn’t know about that, but considering Steophan’s racism and utter stupidity, upon reading the OP all I can think is “Of all the things he’s done and said, this is what you’re going to attack him for?” That was also my impression. I thought of searching though his posting history and linking to a few examples, but I really couldn’t bring myself to make the effort. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/17 "2014-10-19T02:34:01Z")
It’s really all **Steophan** can spread. He has to play to his strengths. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/18 "2014-10-19T04:07:06Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It’s really all **Steophan** can spread. He has to play to his strengths. Well, there’s the herpes. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/19 "2014-10-19T08:07:42Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Well, there’s the herpes. He’d need to be having sex with other people to do so and considering his personality and the fact that he’s living at home with his parents and collecting money from the state, unless he spends a lot mor time in the gym than most internet warriors, that’s highly doubtful. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723/20 "2014-10-19T09:01:51Z")
Come on, haven’t you ever read Andy Capp? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steophan-stop-spreading-ignorance/701723.md?page=2)