# Stephen Miller and cosmopolitan bias **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040 "2017-08-07T21:42:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/41 "2017-08-08T00:54:24Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > People are responsible for themselves, and their families. Not ALL OF HUMANITY. Tard. What if being responsible to your family meant getting them somewhere safe, and the place that is safe is saying to go fuck yourself because you didn’t have time to learn fluent english during those times between dodging bullets? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/42 "2017-08-08T00:56:13Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > What if being responsible to your family meant getting them somewhere safe, and the place that is safe is saying to go fuck yourself because you didn’t have time to learn fluent english during those times between dodging bullets? A place that tells them to go fuck themselves doesn’t sound all that safe. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/43 "2017-08-08T00:57:07Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Humanity is responsible for humanity. Last time I checked, humans live in USA too. Though sometimes it’s hard to tell. “No man is an island, entire upon himself…” And at least many of us are not saying the US should exhaust itself Giving-Tree-like for the sake of the world, either. That would end up worse for all involved. But at the same time, committing ourselves to a zero-sum “we win, everyone else loses, sucks to be you” POV does seem to be surrendering the moral high ground. (… OK, that is if as many US conservatives you claim to be a Christian. OTOH if you are benighted members of the cult of Ayn Rand and DO believe you have no responsibility for your fellow human, well, can’t help you there, hope you REALLY are superior enough to survive when the balloon goes up…) However, seeing as to how the new policy does not only turn immigration into something competitive but would also _cut down the total numbers_ of \*\*legal \*\*immigrants it’s hard to see how great an advantage does it represent. What it sounds is more like a philosophical doctrinal type of policy: its designers are people who believe they earned and deserved their positions of power and wealth over the other losers, and want future generations of immigrants to share the ideology of having “earned” and “deserved” their entry. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/44 "2017-08-08T00:58:04Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Shut up, grandpa. Are you sitting on the pie? I certainly hope so. We’re a better place without you. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/45 "2017-08-08T00:59:56Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > What if being responsible to your family meant getting them somewhere safe, and the place that is safe is saying to go fuck yourself because you didn’t have time to learn fluent english during those times between dodging bullets? Do you mean like Hillary dodging bullets in Bosnia? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/46 "2017-08-08T01:02:09Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > A place that tells them to go fuck themselves doesn’t sound all that safe. Is that what you and Okra want? A place less safe than the “dodging bullets interfered with my english class” place? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/47 "2017-08-08T01:07:11Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > We’re a better place without you. And yet I’m still here. You, on the other hand, are one of the biggest libtards on this board, like Elvis and Bob Lib Dum. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/48 "2017-08-08T01:07:28Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do you mean like Hillary dodging bullets in Bosnia? :dubious: Just had to force in a Clinton reference that makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/49 "2017-08-08T01:09:38Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Is that what you and Okra want? A place less safe than the “dodging bullets interfered with my english class” place? Uh, no; I want us to be well enough off that we can afford to throw some bennies to other folks, because that’d be real nice. But I figure we’re kinda full up with our own problems right now, so that’s gonna haveta wait; figure if we throw the doors open to everyone trying to flee some shithole, then pretty soon we’re just another shithole, and figure now’d be a real good time to stave off that “pretty soon”. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/50 "2017-08-08T01:10:47Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Just had to force in a Clinton reference that makes no sense. I’m sorry (not really) that your reading comprehension is so poor. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/51 "2017-08-08T01:12:46Z")
If nothing else the responses to this thread were predictable. It’s just a coincidence that this guy, [Richard Spencer’s college buddy](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/trumps-newest-senior-adviser-seen-ally-white-nationalists/), just happened to use a word that means one thing to white nationalists/nativists and reminds everyone else of a fashion magazine. It’s a coincidence, not a dog whistle. It’s a totally common expression in flyover country. That’s your story? Editing to add a quote from the linked article. > [@](#): > > Spencer told me that at Duke, Miller helped him with fundraising and promotion for an on-campus debate on immigration policy that Spencer organized in 2007, featuring influential white nationalist Peter Brimelow. Another former member of the Duke Conservative Union confirms that Miller and Spencer worked together on the event. At DCU meetings, according to a past president of the group, Miller denounced multiculturalism and expressed concerns that immigrants from non-European countries were not assimilating. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/52 "2017-08-08T01:14:54Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Steven Miller speaks and looks like a Schutzstaffel officer direct from Central Casting. I literally can’t see him speak without unconsciously muttering under my breath, “Nazis…I hate these guys.”. How anyone can take what he says as anything but barely concealed racist claptrap is beyond my conception. > > Stranger In February, he appeared on Face The Nation, during which he had this exchange with John Dickerson. The interesting bit is in Miller’s last sentence, but I’m including the earlier back and forth for context. (Bolding added by me.) His language is kind of scary. > [@](#): > > DICKERSON: Let’s move on to the president’s executive order on immigration. The president has said both see you in court and also suggested there might be a new executive order. What’s – which way is he going? > > MILLER: It’s a great, great topic because there are so many things we can do. For one thing, we can take the case to the Supreme Court on the emergency stay. We can go back to the district court and we can have a hearing on the merits. We can go to the banc to hear – have it heard en banc. Or, if we want to, we can also continue the appeal with the panel. > > Additionally, we’re considering new and further executive actions that will enhance the security posture of the United States. I don’t have any news to date to make on it. But I think the point, John, is that the president has enormous powers, both delegated to him by Congress and under the Constitution, his Article 2 foreign affairs power, to control the entry of aliens into our country and he’s going to use that authority to keep us safe. > > DICKERSON: OK, We’ll wait for news on that. > > When I talked to Republicans on The Hill, they wonder, what in the White House – what have you all learned from this experience with the executive order? > > MILLER: Well, I think that it’s been an important reminder to all Americans that we have a judiciary that has taken far too much power and become in many case a supreme branch of government. One unelected judge in Seattle cannot remake laws for the entire country. I mean this is just crazy, John, the idea that you have a judge in Seattle say that a foreign national living in Libya has an effective right to enter the United States is – is – is beyond anything we’ve ever seen before. > > The end result of this, though, is that our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions, \*\*that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. > \*\* ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/53 "2017-08-08T01:17:27Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I’m sorry (not really) that your reading comprehension is so poor. It just seems like you just had to shoehorn in a reference to Clinton. Just like the shitgibbon you worship. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/54 "2017-08-08T01:19:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It just seems like you just had to shoehorn in a reference to Clinton. Just like the shitgibbon you worship. Why would you say that? I only worship God, not politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/55 "2017-08-08T01:20:37Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Steven Miller speaks and looks like a Schutzstaffel officer direct from Central Casting. I literally can’t see him speak without unconsciously muttering under my breath, “Nazis…I hate these guys.”. How anyone can take what he says as anything but barely concealed racist claptrap is beyond my conception. > > Stranger Someone already mentioned it, but I’ll reiterate in light of this post that Stephen Miller is Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/56 "2017-08-08T01:23:03Z")
Weird that he’s such a Nazi, then. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/57 "2017-08-08T01:24:21Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Why would you say that? I only worship God, not politicians. Bullshit. Someone who truly worships God wouldn’t be the cold sociopath that you are. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/58 "2017-08-08T01:26:01Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > What are you Wow! about? because your statement caught me off guard. I, truly, have never heard that said before, and I’m not sure I exactly understand it. mc ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/59 "2017-08-08T01:46:58Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > because your statement caught me off guard. I, truly, have never heard that said before, and I’m not sure I exactly understand it. > > mc Whether or not it’s their stated purpose, the dollars of foreign aid the US sends to other countries are expected to improve the conditions of those countries; improved conditions means people want to stay there. Is it right that the US throws money at perceived problems? That’s a whole other, longer thread I’m sure. But every US taxpayer’s dollar has our collective face on it and the world sees it more clearly than we sometimes do back here in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/60 "2017-08-08T01:48:13Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Because people that live in small town America are known for their widespread understanding that English speakers can be found in all parts of the world, or something??!?? Just more WTF from the WH. I didn’t say it was based on reality. But Trump’s base likes to be told it’s better than all those East Coast/West Coast city people. Sure, they might have fancy college degrees but you guys have common sense. You know how things work in the real world not like those ivory tower eggheads. So just keep supporting Mr Trump and don’t go listening to all that fake news coming out of the media. Mr Trump’s gonna make America great again, just like it used to be. Etc etc etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040.md?page=4)