# Stephen Miller and cosmopolitan bias **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040 "2017-08-07T21:42:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/121 "2017-08-08T21:42:04Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Stephen Miller was asked if the proposed immigration policy supported by the Trump administration that weights the ability to speak English higher than previous immigration policies was intended only allow immigrants from Great Britain and Australia. Here is his response. > > Some people think that was response brilliantly turned the tables on the questioner while others thought it was more than a little intellectually dishonest. I’m in the second camp but that’s not what inspired this thread. > > What caught my ear was the use of the phrase, “Cosmopolitan bias.” I had never heard the phrase before and it seemed like a weird turn of phrase for a 31 year-old guy from Santa Monica, CA. So I Googled it and it turns out to be a [white nationalist dog whistle](https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-08-03/cosmopolitan-dog-whistle-word-once-used-nazi-germany-and-communist-russia). > > I’ll repeat for emphasis. The guy who represents Trump’s plans for immigration is dog whistling to white nationalists. > > Try to convince me that I’m reading this wrong. I’m less than 100% open minded on this uberdouche (Miller), but I’m willing to listen. He’s just another fucking Nazi. Another xenophobic white nationalist. In the White House. Are you surprised??? At this point, nothing should surprise you. The fucker even LOOKS like Goebbels. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/122 "2017-08-08T21:43:54Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Perfect example of “I got mine, fuck everyone else”, from one whose side always falsely claims moral high ground. He should be glad there is no intelligence test for staying. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/123 "2017-08-08T21:56:55Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > By accusing Acosta of “cosmopolitan bias,” Miller was calling him a homosexual. Seems fairly obvious to me. > > [https://wonkette.com/621364/salt-of-the-earth-trump-racist-stephen-miller-lives-in-very-sexxxy-cosmopolitan-bias-dc-digs](https://wonkette.com/621364/salt-of-the-earth-trump-racist-stephen-miller-lives-in-very-sexxxy-cosmopolitan-bias-dc-digs) It’s been so long since I’ve heard that that I forgot about that euphemism. If you aren’t joking, then I still say that doesn’t really fit, either. What does being gay have to do with not understanding the world? It’s like he inserted the opposite word because the one that would make sense–something like “backward hick”–would offend his constituents. Like someone calling you racist for pointing out racism. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/124 "2017-08-08T22:39:42Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Depending on the recipient, there are likely dozens of reasons foreign aid is given and that is one of them. The US protects its own interests and those interests are manifold and plenty. > I don’t need your help to understand what any other poster responds to me. When I do I will let you know. I may not be a memorable poster but I’ve read your well-meaning condescension for years. Sigh. How the fuck am I supposed to respond to this? What am I supposed to do that won’t come off as condescending? You changed your post. I was going to argue with your first claim, but then you changed the claim. You alternatively claim to not have changed it and to know that you changed it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/125 "2017-08-08T22:55:35Z")
All I can think to do is this: Your second claim is true. You argued it well. I certainly agree that it is a natural consequence that helping other countries will provide them with stability, which will decrease their likelihood to want to immigrate here. The consequential chain works. Your other claim, which you’ve now repeated, I don’t agree with. I see no proof. Correlation is not causation. The fact that this happens is not proof that the U.S. actually does this intentionally. And seeing as most of our aid goes out to countries where illegal immigration is not really a threat, it seems quite unlikely. Maybe you care about making that argument. If so, I suggest that you actually make it, instead of just assuming we’d all agree with you. If not, whatever. But I’m just so tired of being singled out like I’m some special level of bad for just posting the same way as everyone else. Everyone comes off as condescending when they disagree. You did too. Spice Weasel, one of the nicest people on this board, comes off as condescending when she disagrees with me. As far as I can tell, it’s just how you feel when someone corrects you. And that’s not to say I have no faults. I have plenty. But I just cannot get this one. Mere condescension is supposedly a crime. Not mockery. Not snide remarks. But pointing out mistakes and being helpful is condescending and wrong. It makes no fucking sense. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/126 "2017-08-08T23:06:35Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I don’t think that Trump is actually particularly racist. You see, to be racist, you have to thing that “we” are better than “them”. For Trump, though, there is no “we”. There’s only “me”. If nothing else, Trump has this one accomplishment to his credit: he’s proven that a single person can be _both_ a narcissistic solipsist and a racist. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/127 "2017-08-08T23:12:38Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > By accusing Acosta of “cosmopolitan bias,” Miller was calling him a homosexual. Seems fairly obvious to me. > > [https://wonkette.com/621364/salt-of-the-earth-trump-racist-stephen-miller-lives-in-very-sexxxy-cosmopolitan-bias-dc-digs](https://wonkette.com/621364/salt-of-the-earth-trump-racist-stephen-miller-lives-in-very-sexxxy-cosmopolitan-bias-dc-digs) Maybe he meant “continental”, like that _SNL_ character Christopher Walken played. Would you like some _sham-PAN-ya_? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/128 "2017-08-09T00:13:59Z")
I must say, yes, whether strategic dogwhistle or just someone seeking to call someone else “you Big City limousine liberal snob”, it does seem a malapropism to use “cosmopolitan” to accuse of bias regarding English speakers. Gotta love the fool’s “originalist” take on the Statue of Liberty, that it’s supposed to be America’s Liberty lighting the way for the rest of the world to make them be like us, not to come here. Problem is, the poem was written before the statue was erected as part of the fundraising campaign, and it was inscribed on the monument around 1900 so its interpretation has been associated with it virtually all along. (Meanwhile, at the same time, the other dude’s presumption about English Proficency meaning only Anglo Saxons allowed, when it is one of the world’s most widely used languages, did also amuse some of us second-languagers) > [@BigT](#): > > I certainly agree that it is a natural consequence that helping other countries will provide them with stability, which will decrease their likelihood to want to immigrate here. The consequential chain works. And also, greater stability means lesser chances that _we_ may end up having to go over there and intervene directly to protect our interests. Because when it gets to that point we don’t know where it may end. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/129 "2017-08-09T00:19:37Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > I must say, yes, whether strategic dogwhistle or just someone seeking to call someone else “you Big City limousine liberal snob”, it does seem a malapropism to use “cosmopolitan” to accuse of bias regarding English speakers. My best understanding is that Miller’s just not very clever on his feet. He was getting pissed at Acosta, and when he’s pissed at the media he tends to go to “liberal elitist cosmopolitan atheistic urban” word salad in his head. He vaguely realized Acosta was saying something kind of dumb, so he decided to call Acosta out–but he’s not smart enough either to call out Acosta’s mistake clearly, or to put an appropriate label on Acosta’s dumbness. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/130 "2017-08-09T00:40:37Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > All I can think to do is this: > > Your second claim is true. You argued it well. I certainly agree that it is a natural consequence that helping other countries will provide them with stability, which will decrease their likelihood to want to immigrate here. The consequential chain works. > > Your other claim, which you’ve now repeated, I don’t agree with. I see no proof. Correlation is not causation. The fact that this happens is not proof that the U.S. actually does this intentionally. And seeing as most of our aid goes out to countries where illegal immigration is not really a threat, it seems quite unlikely. > > Maybe you care about making that argument. If so, I suggest that you actually make it, instead of just assuming we’d all agree with you. If not, whatever. > > But I’m just so tired of being singled out like I’m some special level of bad for just posting the same way as everyone else. Everyone comes off as condescending when they disagree. You did too. Spice Weasel, one of the nicest people on this board, comes off as condescending when she disagrees with me. > > As far as I can tell, it’s just how you feel when someone corrects you. > > And that’s not to say I have no faults. I have plenty. But I just cannot get this one. Mere condescension is supposedly a crime. Not mockery. Not snide remarks. But pointing out mistakes and being helpful is condescending and wrong. It makes no fucking sense. Here’s some friendly advice. Stop seeking approval. Just do your thing. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/131 "2017-08-09T02:02:01Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > What of it? So was Dan Burros, or any of a number of Jewish collaborators with the German Nazi regime such as Stella Kübler or Anna van Dijk. Being Jewish certainly doesn’t preventing from being the racist sycophantic asshole persona he gives every impression of embracing, nor explain or excuse his tin pot fascist attitude and attempts to intimidate journalists. I’ll say it again: _Steven Miller speaks and looks like a Schutzstaffel officer direct from Central Casting_. He talks as if he learned English by watching and repeating cartoon Nazis from Indiana Jones movies. > > Stranger Nah, I get more of a Fredo Corleone vibe from Miller. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/132 "2017-08-09T16:29:19Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The statement just doesn’t even make any sense. If someone is cosmopolitan, that means they move among many different countries. Which would inherently mean they are more, not less familiar with how common English is. > > The only way it makes sense is as some sort of code word. It is. Read it as “Globalist Jew banksters”. Just like its original German/Russian useage was. Now people refer to it as a “dog whistle”, because it’s so high pitched only Nazis can hear it. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/133 "2017-08-09T19:10:33Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It is. Read it as > > “Globalist Jew banksters”. Just like its original German/Russian useage was. > > Now people refer to it as a “dog whistle”, because it’s so high pitched only Nazis can hear it. But of course you understand it’s meaning perfectly well. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/134 "2017-08-09T22:33:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > But of course you understand it’s meaning perfectly well. The meaning of this particular dog whistle was posted in the OP, w/ a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/135 "2017-08-09T22:44:10Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I agree— this fake “dog whistle” business is a real problem that needs a solution. Not piecemeal, either. Something _final_. If Acosta would stop whining and concentrate on his job, he’d be better off. Doesn’t he know that work will set you free? #pepethefrog #88 #HeyClothahumpThisIsARacistDogWhistleYouFuckingIdiot #HeyVinylTurnipThisIsASteamingPileOfLiberalHorseshit I realize that I didn’t follow the liberal guidelines and end with childish name-calling. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/136 "2017-08-11T17:22:54Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > He generally doesn’t leave the dayroom on tapioca pudding day. rofl ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/137 "2017-08-11T17:23:56Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I agree— this fake “dog whistle” business is a real problem that needs a solution. Not piecemeal, either. Something _final_. If Acosta would stop whining and concentrate on his job, he’d be better off. Doesn’t he know that work will set you free? #pepethefrog #88 #HeyClothahumpThisIsARacistDogWhistleYouFuckingIdiot another rofl ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/138 "2017-08-11T17:24:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If they’re here legally, they’re of no use picking crops. Those employers want illegal workers, they don’t complain about pay or working conditions. > > [Read this.](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/texas-companies-tie-worker-shortages-155847367.html) That’s probably the type who works the pickers all summer and then calls “la Migra” the day before pay day. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/139 "2019-11-13T04:36:48Z")
Today seems like a good day to bump this thread. I just skimmed through it and noticed that the Stephen Miller Defense Squad contained a predictable trio of banned posters… **WillFarnaby** , **Clothahump** , **Okrahoma** and and also predictable trio of active posting, white supremacy defending douchebags… **D’Anconia** , **Shodan** , and **octopus**. You backed the wrong horse on this one fucknuggets. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040/140 "2019-11-13T04:49:45Z")
Maybe I should have included this… [Stephen Miller’s Affinity for White Nationalism Revealed in Leaked Emails](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails) > [@](#): > > In this, the first of what will be a series about those emails, Hatewatch exposes the racist source material that has influenced Miller’s visions of policy. That source material, as laid out in his emails to Breitbart, includes white nationalist websites, a “white genocide”-themed novel in which Indian men rape white women, xenophobic conspiracy theories and eugenics-era immigration laws that Adolf Hitler lauded in “Mein Kampf.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stephen-miller-and-cosmopolitan-bias/793040.md?page=8)