# Steve Jobs is a plague upon humanity! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245 "2010-09-10T00:33:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Baboonanza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f475e1/32.png) [@Baboonanza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baboonanza)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/81 "2010-09-11T09:07:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@JRDelirious](#): > > > > One man’s “courage” is another’s pigheadedness (Which BTW is not necessarily an evil thing; personally I have detested Flash homepages for years). > > Well, remember that Jobs has said that Flash is the number one reason why Macs crash. Given that, I would regard his anti-Flash stance as being pragmatic rather than pigheaded. That may even be true, but it’s not the reason Flash isn’t on the iPhone and iPad. There is only one reason for that. The AppStore. All those games on the AppStore? 99% of them could be done in Flash on the web. In fact that is true of most of ALL apps. Apple blocked Flash because it was their competition, and they like uncompetetive market places and user lock-in. ---
**Author:** ![Page\_Fault](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ad7895/32.png) [@Page\_Fault](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Page_Fault)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/82 "2010-09-11T15:48:16Z")
I think my wristwatch comparison hit closer to home than even I realized. Some wristwatches(like mine) don’t have user-serviceable batteries. Well, okay, technically I could change out my battery if I wanted… but I’d need 2-3 specialized tools and fairly exact instructions on how to do it, so for all practical purposes it’s not user-serviceable. Some wristwatches have just a phillips screw on the back. Apple MP3 players and phones don’t have user-serviceable batteries, other companies make MP3 players and phones that do. If it’s such a HUGELY IMPORTANT issue for you, buy one of theirs. Apple doesn’t have a monopoly on either. Some watches only tell the time, or maybe have an alarm and nightlight(pretty common these days), others are highly programmable and have built-in calculators and whatever. Apple stuff does what it’s designed for, other MP3 players do what they’re designed for, which may include being easily-programmable or having a radio or whatever. I really don’t see why this is such a big issue, though. I’ve never needed to change a battery in my iPod. The one time the battery started to fail, I just shrugged and got a new one because the old one was by that time too small for my collection. You really have to use it a lot to wear down the battery. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/83 "2010-09-11T21:33:41Z")
From all I hear the Mac OS is excellent; and the components made by others of high quality well integrated together. Sadly, all Apple products look exactly like boring minimalist kitchenware. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/84 "2010-09-11T23:25:31Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > Sadly, all Apple products look exactly like boring minimalist kitchenware. You are pining for the days when the [iMac’s original bulbosity](http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=FRF&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1226&bih=729&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=imac+bulbous&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=) took the kewl looking design world by storm, and we all had waffle makers and disk drives of translucent purple plastic? I’d settle for an iPad I don’t have to put friction tape on to prevent it from slipping through my hands when I pick it up. ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/85 "2010-09-12T02:31:10Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > From all I hear the Mac OS is excellent; and the components made by others of high quality well integrated together. > Sadly, all Apple products look exactly like boring minimalist kitchenware. Inevitable link to the “Apple is [del]copying[/del] inspired by Dieter Rams” story: [http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future](http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future) ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/86 "2010-09-12T06:53:58Z")
> [@LunarPlexus](#): > > iPod, iPhone, iMac - they’re consumer devices. To me, it’s like buying a toaster oven and wanting to mod it to cook a blue whale. Sure, a handful of folks on message boards think this is what a toaster oven should be capable of, but most regular folks don’t want a toaster oven that’s 100 feet wide. Jobs understands this, and that’s why he sells a ton of those devices. > > Buy a whale oven if that’s what you want to cook (you whale eating bastard!) 🙂 No, it’s more like buying a toaster oven and wanting to use it to toast bread, bagels, frozen pizza, etc., what most people use toaster ovens for. Instead the user has to buy Apple-brand bread made in their special proprietary shape and size because the manufacturer says that’s how it’s going to be, and any attempt to deviate from that unwavering standard will be dealt with every time the toaster oven is serviced, which happens regularly and frequently against your will simply by virtue of having it plugged in. But the packaging sure looks stylish, doesn’t it? I swear, it seems like Apple puts more effort into making sure the customer doesn’t deviate one iota from their vision than they do into giving the customer what they want. And the amazing thing is this: people not only go for it, they advocate for it. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/87 "2010-09-12T12:20:39Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > > [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](#): > > > > Settings -\> Wallpaper > > > > (I think this was in a software update a while back.) > > For 3GS and up, yes. Not supported for 3G. Ummm…it’s supported on my 3G. I just checked. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/88 "2010-09-12T16:17:37Z")
Fuck Apple (until they bring out the iphone on Verizon). BTW their laptops are undoubtedly overpriced for what you get, their desktops not so much but the desktops don’t have the same “look at me, I’m cool enough to overpay for a computer” factor. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/89 "2010-09-12T16:46:21Z")
when Woz had influence in the company he kept it real. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/90 "2010-09-13T01:15:43Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > No you Apple dick-sucking-clown > > Apple locks down their shit to stifle any and all competition. That is ALL they intend to do. Go ahead with your Apple jerk-off session, but face the facts. Apple intentionally stifles innovation. Your cites supporting these “facts” ought to be entertaining, let’s see them. Go ahead, knock yourself out - as an added bonus you might think more clearly when you come to. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/91 "2010-09-13T01:17:48Z")
> [@crazyjoe](#): > > > [@beowulff](#): > > > > Case dismissed. > > Sorry, I offereed evidence of Bloated Crapware produced by Apple, as requested. If you are of the opinion these are not bloated crapware, please provide evidence to support it. No, _you_ made the original claim that iTunes is bloated crapware, you have to support that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/92 "2010-09-13T03:14:15Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > I swear, it seems like Apple puts more effort into making sure the customer doesn’t deviate one iota from their vision than they do into giving the customer what they want. > > And the amazing thing is this: people not only go for it, they advocate for it. Cults are indeed pretty strange. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/93 "2010-09-13T03:23:39Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > > [@crazyjoe](#): > > > > Sorry, I offereed evidence of Bloated Crapware produced by Apple, as requested. If you are of the opinion these are not bloated crapware, please provide evidence to support it. > > No, _you_ made the original claim that iTunes is bloated crapware, you have to support that. Winamp download: 10.70MB iTunes download: 72.23MB So that’s “bloated” taken care of, and I say that as an iTunes user (although since I discovered WinAmp now does iPod syncing in the course of researching this…) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/94 "2010-09-13T03:28:46Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > > [@crazyjoe](#): > > > > Sorry, I offereed evidence of Bloated Crapware produced by Apple, as requested. If you are of the opinion these are not bloated crapware, please provide evidence to support it. > > No, _you_ made the original claim that iTunes is bloated crapware, you have to support that. Not bothering to soil my computer with that garabage… Google search for “itunes sucks” about 4,430,000 results. First result: [http://www.webmonkey.com/2008/11/the\_top\_ten\_reasons\_itunes\_sucks/](http://www.webmonkey.com/2008/11/the_top_ten_reasons_itunes_sucks/) > [@](#): > > Massive memory footprint Considering that iTunes is ostensibly, anyway just a jukebox app, it puts a remarkable strain on your system resources. It isn’t too bad if you have a few gigs of RAM and newish processor, but it still seems excessive for just playing music. Also if Apple is so great why are they too fucking stupid to do music sync right? My android phone self syncs. Copy my music to it’s sd card and that’s it. It figures the rest out on it’s own. If Apple is so great why can’t the Ipods and the like work that way? ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/95 "2010-09-13T04:08:14Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > > [@Askance](#): > > > > No, _you_ made the original claim that iTunes is bloated crapware, you have to support that. > > Not bothering to soil my computer with that garabage… > > Google search for “itunes sucks” about 4,430,000 results. > > First result: [http://www.webmonkey.com/2008/11/the\_top\_ten\_reasons\_itunes\_sucks/](http://www.webmonkey.com/2008/11/the_top_ten_reasons_itunes_sucks/) > > > [@](#): > > > > Massive memory footprint Considering that iTunes is ostensibly, anyway just a jukebox app, it puts a remarkable strain on your system resources. It isn’t too bad if you have a few gigs of RAM and newish processor, but it still seems excessive for just playing music. > > Also if Apple is so great why are they too fucking stupid to do music sync right? My android phone self syncs. Copy my music to it’s sd card and that’s it. It figures the rest out on it’s own. If Apple is so great why can’t the Ipods and the like work that way? I don’t even understand what this means. All I have to do is plug my iPhone in to my Mac, and it syncs my music, videos and podcasts - I don’t even have to copy anything manually. ---
**Author:** ![Cumberdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@Cumberdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumberdale)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/96 "2010-09-13T04:09:52Z")
I am currently considering buying an Apple laptop and the big thing in its favor is that it is less likely to be infected by a computer virus. If I have to pay a little more at the beginning and don’t have to worrly about virus protection or fixing it if it is infected would be worth it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/97 "2010-09-13T05:16:48Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > > [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > > > ] > > Also if Apple is so great why are they too fucking stupid to do music sync right? My android phone self syncs. Copy my music to it’s sd card and that’s it. It figures the rest out on it’s own. If Apple is so great why can’t the Ipods and the like work that way? > > I don’t even understand what this means. > All I have to do is plug my iPhone in to my Mac, and it syncs my music, videos and podcasts - I don’t even have to copy anything manually. It means if I want to add music to my phone without getting up over wifi, I can. It means I can add music and video to my phone without specialized software. Hell there’s android apps to auto sync over wifi. If I go over to my cousins and he has some great video to blackmail my aunt after a little too much egg nog we can just copy right to my phone to blackmail on the go. Also if for some reason I became daft and possibly rabid, I could install Itunes and use a program called double twist to sync it with my phone. So in short the mac solution is quit inferior. My android phone can sync anything yours can, and unlike defective apple crap, it can handle self syncing. Further, I can install apps not in the system’s market without rooting my phone. Can you? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/98 "2010-09-13T16:39:29Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > > [@crazyjoe](#): > > > > Sorry, I offereed evidence of Bloated Crapware produced by Apple, as requested. If you are of the opinion these are not bloated crapware, please provide evidence to support it. > > No, _you_ made the original claim that iTunes is bloated crapware, you have to support that. Okay, it’s media software that’s somewhere around verison 10 and it still doesn’t allow you to group things into folders? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/99 "2010-09-13T17:32:55Z")
“If Apple does it, it’s a feature; if Microsoft does it, it’s a bug”. I heard it here and has become my default position. I’ve never owned an Apple product and possibly never will, not because they are good or bad, simply because I have no interest. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/100 "2010-09-13T17:45:37Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > “If Apple does it, it’s a feature; if Microsoft does it, it’s a bug”. > I heard it here and has become my default position. I’ve never owned an Apple product and possibly never will, not because they are good or bad, simply because I have no interest. I owned and iPhone 3GS. And I’d probably still own it, but AT&T’s service is so bad I couldn’t take it anymore. That said, I’ve got a Droid X now and I like it more than the iPhone. If nothing else, I can, get this, drag and drop stuff straight to the phone. No file conversions. No failed file conversions. Just drag and drop. It’s almost like it’s 2010 or something. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245.md?page=6)