# Steve Jobs is a plague upon humanity! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245 "2010-09-10T00:33:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![LunarPlexus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LunarPlexus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LunarPlexus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/121 "2010-09-14T18:24:17Z")
Well, no, those were just examples. If you want Steely Dan, just start typing “Steely Dan” in the search box. Or browse until you get to the Esses. How is looking through nested folders any faster? And you can only physically organize things one way, so there’s no flexibility. I don’t care what you do. I’m just explaining what a content management system is, and what its theoretical benefits might be. > [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > > [@LunarPlexus](#): > > > > What the others are trying to explain, is that with metadata, you can make requests like, “Show me all the jazz albums that I haven’t listened to for more than 3 months that I rated 4 stars or higher,” or “Show me all the rock songs for artists starting with ‘Ste’ (and there’s your Steely Dan),” or “Show me the songs with a Bit Rate of 128 kbps that I purchased.” Or whatever. A lot of music has tags where a lot of that data is already filled in, so by importing it into the CMS, all that work is done. And you can move the file anywhere, and that work is still done. > > Does anyone actually select music like that? I never think to myself ‘Hey, I’d like some jazz, but only jazz albums that I haven’t listened to for more than 3 months that I rated 4 stars or higher. Yeah, that’s the ticket!’ > > No, what I say is “Hey, I want to hear some Miles Davis. Where the fuck is my Miles Davis music?” > I want to listen to rock songs by artists that start with ‘ste’? C’mon, really? Sure, it’s possible - it’s just not useful. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/122 "2010-09-14T18:41:36Z")
Back to the OP. Evidently, not only is Steve Jobs a plague, but he’s also a [ninja](http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/14/5110173-was-steve-jobs-tossed-from-flight-for-carrying-ninja-throwing-stars) ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/123 "2010-09-14T18:59:53Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Man, I can’t keep checking this thread. The logic is too much like the customers I deal with on my job. “I know it works this way, but _I_ want it to work this completely different way that makes sense to me! Change your program to suit MY needs! Right now, while I’m on the phone with you. Just remote log into my computer and change it! NOW!!!” I don’t see how “hey, this sucks, its model isn’t like what I prefer to use -\> downloads WinAmp” is at all like bitching to customer support. 😛 Dude asked why people don’t like iTunes, we responded, big deal. Fanboy 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/124 "2010-09-14T19:15:34Z")
> [@LunarPlexus](#): > > Well, no, those were just examples. If you want Steely Dan, just start typing “Steely Dan” in the search box. Or browse until you get to the Esses. How is looking through nested folders any faster? And you can only physically organize things one way, so there’s no flexibility. > > I don’t care what you do. I’m just explaining what a content management system is, and what its theoretical benefits might be. Oh, I know those were examples, and maybe I’d find it useful (although 39 parameters seems a bit much). But now I wonder - wouldn’t a CMS be able to pull data from all the files regardless of how the user had them physically (well, virtually physically, I guess) arranged? Someone could have all the nested folders they want and the CMS should still be able to find all artists starting with ‘ste’, right? Maybe I’m unclear on how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/125 "2010-09-14T20:22:24Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > No, what I say is “Hey, I want to hear some Miles Davis. Where the fuck is my Miles Davis music?” Everywhere but in parts of North America, he’s alphabetized under ‘Kilometers’. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/126 "2010-09-14T20:54:53Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > > [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > > > No, what I say is “Hey, I want to hear some Miles Davis. Where the fuck is my Miles Davis music?” > > Everywhere but in parts of North America, he’s alphabetized under ‘Kilometers’. Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![LunarPlexus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LunarPlexus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LunarPlexus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/127 "2010-09-15T00:01:02Z")
I’m pretty sure if you uncheck “Keep iTunes Media folder organized” and “Copy files to iTunes Media folder when adding to library,” you can stick your tunes wherever you want. iTunes will be able to find things its way, should you want it to, and you can find things by rooting around, should you want to. And just because there are 39 parameters (I’ll take your word for that), that doesn’t mean you have to use or even give a _checks forum_ shit about any of them. Anyway, I hear there are alternatives to iTunes, but I have no idea about them. Maybe there are better solutions for some people. > [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > > [@LunarPlexus](#): > > > > Well, no, those were just examples. If you want Steely Dan, just start typing “Steely Dan” in the search box. Or browse until you get to the Esses. How is looking through nested folders any faster? And you can only physically organize things one way, so there’s no flexibility. > > > > I don’t care what you do. I’m just explaining what a content management system is, and what its theoretical benefits might be. > > Oh, I know those were examples, and maybe I’d find it useful (although 39 parameters seems a bit much). But now I wonder - wouldn’t a CMS be able to pull data from all the files regardless of how the user had them physically (well, virtually physically, I guess) arranged? Someone could have all the nested folders they want and the CMS should still be able to find all artists starting with ‘ste’, right? > > Maybe I’m unclear on how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/128 "2010-09-15T02:30:46Z")
Y’know, now that I think about it, maybe my general satisfaction with Apple has something to do with the fact that I listen to little music, don’t use iTunes, and don’t own an iPod or iPhone of any kind. _shrugs_ ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245/129 "2010-09-15T02:53:43Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Y’know, now that I think about it, maybe my general satisfaction with Apple has something to do with the fact that I listen to little music, don’t use iTunes, and don’t own an iPod or iPhone of any kind. _shrugs_ That might be it. I mean, I love OSX and Mac hardware. I’m just not particularly fond of the way iTunes does stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-jobs-is-a-plague-upon-humanity/553245.md?page=6)