# Steve MB -- let's talk about domestic violence again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 20, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131 "2010-05-20T15:22:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/61 "2010-05-23T16:04:16Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Bricker is certainly the single most impressive multiple-year-grudge-holding poster to an internet message board I’ve ever seen. Indeed, this thread is pretty sad. My guess is he needed the ego boost after having his ass handed to him in the Pope thread. Where in he argued it was some how okay for the Catholic Church to expect (with threats of hell-fire) a 9 year old rape victim to die because her rapist impregnated her with twins, and she was too young to carry the pregnancy. Since we’re bring up old stuff in this thread. Hey **Bricker** , how’d that Bushy Chaney thing work out fer ya? You know the guy who got hundreds of thousands killed over WMDs he hallucinated while ignoring the huge economy wrecking crises. How does it feel to know how much pain your chosen republicunt candidate caused for the country? You know, the one you personally rooted for. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28001417/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28001417/) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON - The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents. > > “Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories,” California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost her a job. > > Bowing to aggressive lobbying — along with assurances from banks that the troubled mortgages were OK — regulators delayed action for nearly one year. By the time new rules were released late in 2006, the toughest of the proposed provisions were gone and the meltdown was under way. > [@](#): > > The administration’s blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic of a philosophy that trusted market forces and discounted the need for government intervention in the economy. Its belief ironically has ushered in the most massive government intervention since the 1930s. > > “We’re going to be feeling the effects of the regulators’ failure to address these mortgages for the next several years,” said Kevin Stein of the California Reinvestment Coalition, who warned regulators to tighten lending rules before it was too late. How might things have turned out if Bush “the decider” decided to worry about fixing America instead of killing Arabs and cushy deals with Blackwater (now Xe)? Since you’re so omniscient, you must have have saw that coming. Thanks for all the debt and unemployment **Bricker**. . ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/62 "2010-05-23T17:03:28Z")
Guy made a hyperbolic prediction. Guy was wrong. Guy got called on it. Lesson is not to make hyperbolic predictions, or if you do, be right about them, or, if you’re wrong, expect to be called on them. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/63 "2010-05-23T18:52:54Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Indeed, this thread is pretty sad. My guess is he needed the ego boost after having his ass handed to him in the Pope thread. That would be indicative of the quality of your reasoning, all right. Pope thread started: 05-20-2010, 05:15 PM This thread started: 05-20-2010, 11:22 AM Your usual keen insight at work. > [@](#): > > Where in he argued it was some how okay for the Catholic Church to expect (with threats of hell-fire) a 9 year old rape victim to die because her rapist impregnated her with twins, and she was too young to carry the pregnancy. And of course, your keen insight is coupled with an equally keen abilty to read. Needless to say, I never wrote anything like that. > [@](#): > > Since you’re so omniscient, you must have have saw that coming. Thanks for all the debt and unemployment **Bricker**. > . BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yes. Because the specific prediction about the results of one law, in arguing against it, are precisely equal to general support for a candidate. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/64 "2010-05-23T18:56:10Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Guy made a hyperbolic prediction. Guy was wrong. Guy got called on it. Lesson is not to make hyperbolic predictions, or if you do, be right about them, or, if you’re wrong, expect to be called on them. Or.. man up and admit that you were in error, which to date **Steve MB** has not done. But he was attacking a conservative-favored law, so his heart was in the right place… so it’s all good. No one should be held accountable under those circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/65 "2010-05-23T19:02:11Z")
In in fact… > [@Bricker](#): > > That would be indicative of the quality of your reasoning, all right. > > Pope thread started: 05-20-2010, 05:15 PM > This thread started: 05-20-2010, 11:22 AM > > Your usual keen insight at work. Here’s a prediction: **Tao’s Revenge** ’s reply will NOT take resposnibility for this error. He won’t say anything, not even, “Yeah you’re still a prick, but I was wrong about this one thing.” Unless, possibly, he reads this spoiler first and has an attack of shame. ---
**Author:** ![padabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@padabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/padabe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/66 "2010-05-23T20:09:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > In in fact… > > Here’s a prediction: **Tao’s Revenge** ’s reply will NOT take resposnibility for this error. He won’t say anything, not even, “Yeah you’re still a prick, but I was wrong about this one thing.” > > Unless, possibly, he reads this spoiler first and has an attack of shame. Way off, man! I can’t believe you think that. Events in the next 18 to 24 months are going to prove you _so wrong_. Oh, the humble pie you’ll have to choke down! Well played, **Bricker**. A little obsessive maybe, but well played nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/67 "2010-05-24T16:59:58Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > My guess is he needed the ego boost after having his ass handed to him in the Pope thread. Where in he argued it was some how okay for the Catholic Church to expect (with threats of hell-fire) a 9 year old rape victim to die because her rapist impregnated her with twins, and she was too young to carry the pregnancy. Incorrect. I asked \*\*Bricker \*\*of his opinion on that particular case, and he agreed that an abortion was appropriate. Of course, by doing so he also excommunicated himself, and I haven’t had a chance to see his reaction to that yet. But let’s please stick to castigating him for the retarded shit he has \*actually \*said. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/68 "2010-05-24T18:43:19Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Incorrect. I asked \*\*Bricker \*\*of his opinion on that particular case, and he agreed that an abortion was appropriate. Of course, by doing so he also excommunicated himself, and I haven’t had a chance to see his reaction to that yet. But let’s please stick to castigating him for the retarded shit he has \*actually \*said. No, I most certainly did not excommunicate myself. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/69 "2010-05-24T18:54:37Z")
As far as you know. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/70 "2010-05-24T20:31:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, I most certainly did not excommunicate myself. According to the link I posted, yes, you did: any Catholic who believes that direct abortion is ever acceptable under any circumstances is automatically excommunicated. And you said that it was okay for the nine-year-old girl to get an abortion of her rape-induced twins. Which is in direct conflict with the Church. So, enjoy your lack of Eucharist. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/71 "2010-05-25T02:12:36Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > According to the link I posted, yes, you did: any Catholic who believes that direct abortion is ever acceptable under any circumstances is automatically excommunicated. And you said that it was okay for the nine-year-old girl to get an abortion of her rape-induced twins. Which is in direct conflict with the Church. So, enjoy your lack of Eucharist. Perhaps you wouldn’t mind posting that link again? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/72 "2010-05-25T03:58:18Z")
Well **Bricker** it seems I did misread it, but that doesn’t change the fact that your political ideology was completely and utterly incompetently wrong. Nor that I’m not the only one who finds your position ambiguous at best. You actually start this thread after 8 years of crowing for torturing, trillion dollar war-hundreds of thousands dead over nothing, trashed economy over failed economic ideology Bush? Really? Really? You couldn’t see a muppet with a Carl Rove’s hand up it’s butt was bad news? Are you daft? But you got one thing right 3 years ago. Good job **Bricker**. That’s very special. Gold star for you. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/73 "2010-05-25T04:26:05Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > According to the link I posted, yes, you did: any Catholic who believes that direct abortion is ever acceptable under any circumstances is automatically excommunicated. No, any Catholic who gets an abortion or performs an abortion is automatically excommunicated. Merely believing that abortion is acceptable isn’t excommunicatable. ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/74 "2010-05-25T06:21:36Z")
I don’t agree with **Bricker** on much of anything, but I do agree that it was perfectly fine and appropriate to post this thread. We’re supposed to be in the business of fighting ignorance, right? Is there a statute of limitations on how far we can go back to fight said ignorance? Three years doesn’t seem like a long time at all. Hell, if the board were around when the Valdez spill happened 20 years ago and someone predicted that everything would be perfectly back to normal by now, I’d hope someone one go back and point out that said prediction was not correct (I don’t have the cites handy, but something cited in another thread mentioned that there’s still oil up there). **Bricker** , you and I probably differ on 99% of the issues discussed on this board, but starting this thread is not one of them. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/75 "2010-05-25T14:30:38Z")
> [@statsman1982](#): > > I don’t agree with **Bricker** on much of anything, but I do agree that it was perfectly fine and appropriate to post this thread. We’re supposed to be in the business of fighting ignorance, right? Is there a statute of limitations on how far we can go back to fight said ignorance? Three years doesn’t seem like a long time at all. Hell, if the board were around when the Valdez spill happened 20 years ago and someone predicted that everything would be perfectly back to normal by now, I’d hope someone one go back and point out that said prediction was not correct (I don’t have the cites handy, but something cited in another thread mentioned that there’s still oil up there). > > **Bricker** , you and I probably differ on 99% of the issues discussed on this board, but starting this thread is not one of them. Well done. Okay, fair enough. Posters obstinate in their ignorance should be called on it. Speaking of obstinate, ignorant posters: > [@Bricker after seeing the bloody and costly fruits of GOP direction](#): > > In the final analysis, I thought the country needed Obama more than McCain, even though as a general rule, I think the GOP’s approach is better for the country than the Democrats’. The GOP direction sure worked out great didn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/76 "2010-05-25T17:08:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Perhaps you wouldn’t mind posting that link again? Here’s [the post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12482910&postcount=225). ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/77 "2010-05-25T17:19:17Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Here’s [the post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12482910&postcount=225). And just to clarify matters, here is the relevant section. > [@](#): > > Believing in Abortion > > Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral commits the sin of heresy. The sin of heresy also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. > > Unfortunately, some Catholics obstinately deny that abortion is always immoral, and some Catholics claim that abortion can, at times, be a morally-acceptable choice, and some Catholics claim that a person can, in good conscience, choose abortion. Under the Code of Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church, canons 751 and 1364, all such Catholics are automatically excommunicated for the sin of heresy. > > This sentence of latae sententiae excommunication applies to any Catholic who denies that abortion is gravely immoral, regardless of whether they keep this denial hidden or publicly reveal it. I notice, though, that this article was published on May 20, 2004. Why, there couldn’t possibly be any connection with the then-current flap about John Kerry’s support for abortion rights, could there? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/78 "2010-05-25T17:28:21Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > And just to clarify matters, here is the relevant section. > > I notice, though, that this article was published on May 20, 2004. Why, there couldn’t possibly be any connection with the then-current flap about John Kerry’s support for abortion rights, could there? Thank you for reposting. I must have missed the first iteration. My first comment is that article is written by someone named “Ronald L. Conte Jr.” He provides the following biography on the site you linked to: > [@](#): > > My name is Ronald L. Conte Jr. (Ron Conte) > I am a layperson, a practicing Roman Catholic, a disciple of Christ. > I have a bachelor’s degree in philsophy and theology from Boston College. > I have been writing and publishing Catholic theology books and articles for many years. > I have recently completed a comprehensive work of Catholic moral theology: The Catechism of Catholic Ethics. > I am a Roman Catholic theologian, faithful to the teaching authority of the Church. He has no academic credentials is canon law. I do. He’s not a bishop or a priest. His opinion of whether a particular belief constitutes apostasy or heresy is his own, not given any weight by any church authority. Even if his words were accpted as completely accurate, I deny that my assertion constitutes obstinate refutation or a revealed truth. More to the point, I deny his conclusions. I took the question seriously enough to bring to my diocesan Bishop. Having described my belief and providing him a link to Conte’s article, he agrees that my actions here do not incur any sanction, excommunication or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/79 "2010-05-25T17:43:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I took the question seriously enough to bring to my diocesan Bishop. Having described my belief and providing him a link to Conte’s article, he agrees that my actions here do not incur any sanction, excommunication or otherwise. I have to say my detector went off somewhat when I saw the “2004” date on the article and I thought back to the controversy over Kerry and his support for abortion rights. Where did you study canon law, **Bricker**? There can’t be that many places left in the US that offer courses. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131/80 "2010-05-25T19:16:03Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > I have to say my detector went off somewhat when I saw the “2004” date on the article and I thought back to the controversy over Kerry and his support for abortion rights. > > Where did you study canon law, **Bricker**? There can’t be that many places left in the US that offer courses. Right next door, so to speak: Catholic University in Washington DC. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/steve-mb-lets-talk-about-domestic-violence-again/540131.md?page=5)