# Stigmata **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [January 21, 2005, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stigmata/285865 "2005-01-21T03:50:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![antechinus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@antechinus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antechinus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stigmata/285865/21 "2005-02-11T02:29:04Z")
> [@MM12](#): > > Hi, I’m new. Here’s my two cents worth… > > As we all know, the Church has tried to cover up the truth to the best of their ability. The “Stigmata” thing is a cover-up for an actual occurence in People that were split in two originally, a million years ago or so. The Royalty that came to EArth (Ancient Astronauts, Gods, Goddesses) were Split-Aparts, for various reasons, but mostly because originally we were un-sexed, and the splitting process made for a balance in those that would rule not only the planet we came from, Nibiru, but then later when coming to EArth. I do believe this only occured in the Royalty. Others, when given a physical body could choose which sex they wanted to be, one or the other. This is of course taking into account we are all Immortal Souls and it is us that has been here since Ancient Times. > > So, originally, Stigmata was an event that when one Split-Apart had an injury, or anything that happened to them physically, it would manifest in the other Half. > > The main characters in the Bible are these original Royal Family members, therefore they are Split-Aparts. Therefore, if one is injured, the other will manifest the injury. This is what the Church wanted to cover-up, for if people knew about this, it would bring up more questions and we would find out more than they want us to know. So the only one that would have manifested the Stigmata of the Crucifixion would have been the female Split-Apart of the Spirit “God” that was in the physical body that was called “Jesus.” That wasn’t his real name at the time btw. > > How do I know? I have this kind of stigmata. Emotions are also felt in the other Half. Thoughts come through, etc. Childbirth for example is quite painful in the other half. > > As far as Pablo Pio’s case, I would surmise that he is the reincarnated Soul that lived as “Jesus.” The Spirit of “God” was in “Jesus” for the drama that ensued that we know as the Jesus story. And Pablo is subconsciously unable to get away from that one lifetime wherein he was the physical vehicle for “God’s” spirit to reside in and was known as “Jesus.” > > Stigmata of the wrists and hands of others are probably psychosomatic manifestations in those that subconsciously either feel great compassion for “Jesus” by either being there at the time and subconsciously remembering, or were those that were instrumental in crucifying him and are trying to cleanse their subconscious guilt. Welcome **MM12**. Much more than “two cents worth” - mate, that is hysterical, I got my $10 subscription fee value just out of reading you post. Thank you. Still wiping the tears of my face. ps Note for newbie - It is sometimes worth puthing down a smilie 😉 icon (semi-colon and close bracket) to show people you arent serious. Some people don’t understand irony. ---
**Author:** ![antechinus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@antechinus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antechinus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stigmata/285865/22 "2005-02-11T02:32:15Z")
**BlueMit11** , what other explanation is there for stigmata, other than self-infliction or assisted-infliction…or …heh…heh… the result of being a Split-Apart? ---
**Author:** ![EvanS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@EvanS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvanS)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stigmata/285865/23 "2005-02-11T03:57:37Z")
> [@BlueMit11](#): > > A tenet of Christianity (and something which is found in various quotes by Padre Pio) is that we should be relying on God’s power and not our own. Whoa now. I haven’t finished reading this thread yet, but this brought me up. If you read the words of Jesus in the synoptic gospels, the tenet of Christianity Jesus was teaching was that we have as much talent/power/ability as Jesus himself! Relying on God’s power? “All these things I do, you too can do, and greater things than these you can do, if you but have the faith of a grain of mustard seed (or somewhat).” This is recognizing our own godly power within ourselves, and if that fails, “Ask anything in my name and it will be given unto you.” I may not have the words exactly right, but the meaning is right on (till Paul (Saul of Tarsus) came around and messed things up). So, I must ask, of whose Christianity is it a tenet? Jesus’? Sauls? The Catholic Church? I subscribe to the idea that the stigmata are ‘psychosomatic,’ that is the power of the mind over the body, which is pretty miraculous itself. Can you make your hand bleed without physical wounds? If so, you would likely qualify for The Amazing Randi’s million dollar award. SOP here is to say, “Well, if it’s true, why don’t they apply for Randi’s award???” assuming if they don’t, of course, that they are frauds. Proof by omission… ---
**Author:** ![EvanS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@EvanS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvanS)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stigmata/285865/24 "2005-02-11T04:19:35Z")
> [@MM12](#): > > However, before People lived in Africa, they lived in Atlantis, > … > Mu, Lemuria, > … > Easter Island > … > the Plains of Nazca > … > Cuzco Wall I don’t want to hijack this thread, MM12, but all the places you mention have a certain esoteric symbol in common (or alledged to be associated with it). Contact me by email (yours isn’t listed) if you want to discuss it. [EvanL@hawaii.rr.com](mailto:EvanL@hawaii.rr.com) ---
**Author:** ![Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/58956e/32.png) [@Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoodoo_Ulove)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stigmata/285865/25 "2005-02-11T14:51:53Z")
> [@EvanS](#): > > I don’t want to hijack this thread, MM12, but all the places you mention have a certain esoteric symbol in common (or alledged to be associated with it). > > Contact me by email (yours isn’t listed) if you want to discuss it. > > [EvanL@hawaii.rr.com](mailto:EvanL@hawaii.rr.com) Shit, man, you said that much, you might as well show us all the damn symbol! But then it wouldn’t be esoteric, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stigmata/285865/26 "2005-02-11T17:08:35Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Welcome to the Straight Dope Message Boards, **MM12** , we’re glad you’re here. > > You might want to take a look at the various forums and descriptions. This thread should be focused on Cecil’s column [“What’s the deal with stigmata?”](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_237.html). I know that we sometimes run off-topic, but I’m trying to put some brakes on that. Your post, while interesting, really belongs elsewhere. You might look in the forum called “Great Debates”, where you’ll find several threads about the African origin of human beans, Atlantis, and related bric-a-brac. > And be prepared, you’ll find that prevalent attitude here won’t agree with you, some perhaps harshly. But welcome! Why do I feel that MM12 is a lurker who has previously placed inappropriate responses in other people’s post before!? :dubious: :rolleyes: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![paperbackwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@paperbackwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paperbackwriter)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stigmata/285865/27 "2005-02-11T17:27:27Z")
> [@ouryL](#): > > Why do I feel that MM12 is a lurker who has previously placed inappropriate responses in other people’s post before!? :dubious: :rolleyes: 😃 I don’t see any evidence of that. **MM12** ’s recent posts have some common themes, and a few searches didn’t pull up similar lurkers or short-term posters. I suppose it’s a possibility, but he/she/they seems genuine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stigmata/285865.md?page=1)