# Still support nuke power plants? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 14, 2011, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647 "2011-03-14T11:56:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/681 "2011-03-21T04:38:47Z")
I’m not going to weigh in here with a big technical discussion, or attack any previous points made - those that are against nuclear probably wouldn’t listen anyway. But my 2 cents worth? We are now more than a week into this, things seem to be coming under control, there is no massive explosion, fire or anything else reducing vast swathes of countryside to rubble or making the entire prefecture uninhabitable for generations to come. Even after one of the largest earthquakes in recorded history, a tsunami that was much larger than anyone expected could happen, a powerplant design that is OLD and widely considered less than safe or ideal, a company that appears less prepared than they could have been there is still nothing that would be considered “disaster” on a global scale. There are some localised events, and even granting what seems to be a worst case scenario of the health effects right now - they are still less than a person would get from a lifetime of smoking, or what would be the result of a major chemical plant fire. And this is one of the three worst nuclear accidents in history? Just today in my local paper there was another coal mine disaster listed. For my money, nuclear is where its at. And for people that want to talk about wind or solar, what about countries like Japan - with their size and energy needs, where exactly do you expect them to site the plants? What about a country like Singapore? Where would you like them to put the millions of solar panels needed? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/682 "2011-03-21T04:42:33Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > As she said, “ **Goodness, I don’t even want to think what that could mean** ”. > > But, I tell you what, you find me one credible news agency that has reported a worse case scenario in the last 8 days, and I will type out not only a commentary on that, but an actual worse case scenario for you. > > It should be easy, with all the fear mongering by CNN and everybody else. > > No sensationalist shitrags or other crap sources please. You’ve promised some report on coal. Now you promise this. Your posts have been totally devoid of detail or facts. Your posts so far have been hand waving, Chicken Little the sky is falling crap. We have provided you with ample evidence so far, none of which I recall you addressing. Time to stop asking others to do something which you will then provide some useful info on. Step up to the plate and take your best shot or don’t. Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/683 "2011-03-21T04:46:46Z")
Just like the question to nuclear advocates, “Is there anything that will change your mind?”, the request to show one credible news source trying to alarm anyone, or fear mongering, it won’t show up. If there was one single effort to alarm people, by the media, I would have already linked to it. The question isn’t about “do you still support nuclear plants?”, because a true nuclear person won’t change their mind. No matter what. And even when somebody tries to tell me the media is hyping the story, and playing on fears, and what ever it is the pro nukers accuse them of, they can’t actually show you any evidence of it. But please continue, it’s quite entertaining. Really. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/684 "2011-03-21T04:56:44Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > And even when somebody tries to tell me the media is hyping the story, and playing on fears, and what ever it is the pro nukers accuse them of, they can’t actually show you any evidence of it. > > But please continue, it’s quite entertaining. Really. Really, it is fun to me as I do always look to find where someone is coming with the fear mongering or bullshit points. 🙂 BTW you have found who was peddling the images of dead victims of the radiation? We would not what to assume that bit was just bullshit.. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/685 "2011-03-21T04:58:52Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Just like the question to nuclear advocates, “Is there anything that will change your mind?”… Nice evasion but I will answer it as I answered it before. The judgment is not made with one occurrence. Planes crash yet we still fly. Cars crash yet we still drive. Chemical plants explode yet we still make chemicals. And so on… It is a cost/benefit analysis. Yes, people die in all sorts of ways in a modern, industrialized society. I posted a cite earlier that showed, per terrawatt hour, nuclear plants are among the safest means of power production there is. If you discount Chernobyl (because it was a distinctly and uniquely shitty design) the calculation plummets. So, show me a trend, show me that nukes are killing people out of all proportion to other power generation means and then you’ve got something. Honestly, you have been safer with nuclear plants than if they had built coal plants instead. You will live longer because of nuclear plants than if coal plants were built. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/686 "2011-03-21T05:20:39Z")
If I didn’t know you were serious, I would say that is brilliant satire. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![TravisFromOR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@TravisFromOR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisFromOR)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/687 "2011-03-21T05:26:59Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If I didn’t know you were serious, I would say that is brilliant satire. Well done. Talking to yourself again? I agree with your assessment of your postings, aside from the “brilliant” part. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/688 "2011-03-21T05:34:59Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > So, show me a trend, show me that nukes are killing people out of all proportion to other power generation means and then you’ve got something. I’m going to take that as an answer, that you are serious about it. Thanks. Let me explain what I think you are saying. “If someone was to show me statistics that point to more people being killed by nuclear power plants that being killed by other power production plants, then you have something.” Is that what you are saying? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/689 "2011-03-21T05:39:35Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m going to take that as an answer, that you are serious about it. Thanks. > > Let me explain what I think you are saying. “If someone was to show me statistics that point to more people being killed by nuclear power plants that being killed by other power production plants, then you have something.” > > Is that what you are saying? I can’t say what I want to say here so [see my response](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13595368&postcount=710) to a different post you made in the Pit as my answer. If you actually post anything of value here I’ll respond. I believe what I have posted so far is clear enough. Either you get it or you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/690 "2011-03-21T05:44:27Z")
> **[World Nuclear Association - World Nuclear News](https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Stabilisation_at_Fukushima_Daiichi_2003111.html)** > > Workers on site have succeeded in increasing the stability of the Fukushima Daiichi reactor units. Pressure built up within unit 3 but a more significant venting now seems unnecessary. Fear mongers have anything to say? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/691 "2011-03-21T05:48:52Z")
Here’s a nice worst case write up (short pdf): [Post-Tsunami Situation at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in Japan: Facts, Analysis, and Some Potential Outcomes](http://www.ieer.org/comments/Daiichi-Fukushima-reactors_IEERstatement.pdf) Never mind the cores. Those spent fuel pools are the big danger. Those pools do not have containment, other than water and the concrete of the pool itself. Low water = breach of containment. No water = meltdown disaster involving many, many times more fuel than simply the fuel from a single reactor, a la Chernobyl. There, I said it. I’m not superstitious! The roofs of those reactors are gone kiddies. That’s what was between that fuel, and us. There is no super-duper containment shell over those pools. > [@](#): > > The extent of the release would depend on the severity of loss of coolant, how much spent fuel there is in the pool, and how recently some of it has been discharged. The mechanisms of the accident would be very different than Chernobyl, where there was also a fire, and the mix of radionuclides would be very different. While the quantity of short-lived radionuclides, notably iodine-131, would be much smaller, the consequences for the long term could be more dire due to long-lived radionuclides such as cesium-137, strontium-90, iodine-129, and plutonium-239. These radionuclides are generally present in much larger quantities in spent fuel pools than in the reactor itself. Six spent fuel pools. That’s the worst case. Sounds like they’re getting water into the pools, and unit’s 5 & 6 have cooling restored. I do get the impression the US, whether it was based on our own imagery, or just our analysis based on what was known, was very concerned Japan wasn’t taking those fuel pools seriously. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/692 "2011-03-21T06:02:51Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Here’s a nice worst case write up (short pdf): [URL=“[http://www.ieer.org/comments/Daiichi-Fukushima-reactors\_IEERstatement.pdf](http://www.ieer.org/comments/Daiichi-Fukushima-reactors_IEERstatement.pdf)”]Post-Tsunami Situation at the Fukushima Daiichi That came from March 14 and with some updates on the 16, the author had no access to direct information and so the report deals with potentials. Now, looking at today: [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-21/japan-s-nuclear-crisis-eases-as-spent-fuel-pools-cool-below-boiling-point.html](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-21/japan-s-nuclear-crisis-eases-as-spent-fuel-pools-cool-below-boiling-point.html) > [@](#): > > Using a helicopter with infrared equipment, officials determined that the pools atop the plant’s six reactors were below 100 degrees centigrade (212 Fahrenheit), the boiling point of water, Japan Defense Minister Toshimi Kitazawa said. > > “I think with each passing hour, each passing day, things are more under control,” U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu said on the “Fox News Sunday” program. “And so, step by step, they are making very good progress.” > > Water pumps and cooling systems were damaged in the 9.0 magnitude March 11 earthquake and tsunami. Nuclear industry regulators in Japan and the U.S. said one of the greatest risks at Fukushima, the worst atomic disaster in 25 years, is that storage pools may not have enough water to cover the hot plutonium rods. If exposed to air, the fuel rods could decay, catch fire and blow radioactive pollution into the sky. > > Japan Self Defense Forces and firefighters have sprayed thousands of tons of sea water from fire engines, sometimes as long as eight hours at a time, on reactors 3 and 4 for the past six days in attempts to refill the storage pools and other parts of the structures surrounding the core. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/693 "2011-03-21T06:11:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That came from March 14 and with some updates on the 16, the author had no access to direct information and so the report deals with potentials. > > Now, looking at today: > > [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-21/japan-s-nuclear-crisis-eases-as-spent-fuel-pools-cool-below-boiling-point.html](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-21/japan-s-nuclear-crisis-eases-as-spent-fuel-pools-cool-below-boiling-point.html) I was simply citing a worst case. I’m not arguing that is going to happen. I heard last night (I thought) that they’d restored cooling to 5 & 6 so that’s a big relief. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/694 "2011-03-21T06:15:25Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > To the various extreme anti-nuke voices here: let us, for the sake of this discussion anyway, accept that TEPCO is run by a bunch of greedy lying bastards, who have lied before, who made poor decisions because they felt that avoiding further damaging their investment was worth risking massive radiation release, and who were hiding information from the public … > > They of course would be the same people, or sort of people anyway, running any other power plant if there was no nuclear. And causing deaths every day from skirting emission controls there in the face of inadequate oversight. > > If, hypothetically, this event ends in a Chernobyl like manner, but does so as a consequence of corporate malfeasance, rather than anything intrinsic to nuclear power. If in fact something like that happens but if the company had NOT cut corners and had followed all the guidelines as written, is that a ding on nuclear per se, or a consequence of poor oversight that could just as easily cause disasters and daily accumulated deaths and disease in other parts of the power industry? > > I could, under that circumstance, understand your concluding that oversight has proven itself not up to the job in the face of determined greed and incompetence, and to not trust any future assurance of adequate oversight, and why the concern for a failure of oversight is greater when the consequence is a Chernobyl like event than a gas pipeline explosion, for example. A dramatic event is always more motivational than the daily drib and drab, no matter much greater the dribs and drabs end up being when all is added up. > > But if, hypothetically, new plant designs were tested and approved that were idiot-proof safe, as stated up thread, safe by way of the physics of the design, safe even if a company intentionally ignored all usual protocols in the service of greed, and cost competitive - would you still be anti-nuke? > > Would it be possible for _any_ expert body to convince you that a current or future design (perhaps the [liquid thorium design](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/8393984/Safe-nuclear-does-exist-and-China-is-leading-the-way-with-thorium.html)) was that safe? Or would you assume that no matter who said it, they were just bought off to delude us? All energy plants including coal plants are run by huge corporations that cut safety, buy regulators and cut corners whenever they can. TEPCO is probably not the worst. If you can get real regulation and inspection, that would be very helpful. But that will never happen. One quarter of American plants are leaking. They all have tanks of fuel rods and other radioactive waste. that problem wont go away either. They take ten years to get on line . Then, if like so many think, that they are safe ,why can’t they get Wall Street to invest in them? The building loans have to be guaranteed by the tax payers. The cost of plants is enormous. They all have huge cost over runs too. It just seems like a dangerous and expensive way to boil water. They are potential targets for terrorists too. Look how much damage can be caused by blowing a reactor up. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/695 "2011-03-21T06:19:25Z")
Heck, half a million Japanese could die and I’d still be pro-nuclear. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/696 "2011-03-21T06:21:56Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > All energy plants including coal plants are run by huge corporations that cut safety, buy regulators and cut corners whenever they can. TEPCO is probably not the worst. > If you can get real regulation and inspection, that would be very helpful. But that will never happen. > One quarter of American plants are leaking. They all have tanks of fuel rods and other radioactive waste. that problem wont go away either. > \*\* They take ten years to get on line . Then, if like so many think, that they are safe ,why can’t they get Wall Street to invest in them? The building loans have to be guaranteed by the tax payers. \*\* The cost of plants is enormous. They all have huge cost over runs too. > It just seems like a dangerous and expensive way to boil water. > They are potential targets for terrorists too. Look how much damage can be caused by blowing a reactor up. (Bolding Mine) This part tends to be a self fulfilling prophesy. They are so expensive to build because of the protests, the hurdles, the legislative challenges and the general nimby-ism of building them. Then people point to the cost of this to justify further complaints, challenges, protests which leads to more cost over-runs ad naseum. Also, I would suggest another major problem is the general uncertainty surrounding it. Given what is happening in Japan right now, what do you think would be happening to the stock of a nuclear powerplant under construction? Would you be willing to invest with that sort of uncertainty - not relating to the cost / benefit of a nuclear powerplant, but to a shift in publlic sentiment totally outside of your control? ---
**Author:** ![TravisFromOR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@TravisFromOR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisFromOR)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/697 "2011-03-21T06:43:28Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > ``` > One quarter of American plants are leaking.. > > ``` Cite? Not like you’ll provide one. I’m still waiting on the cite for the mythical core radiation release. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/698 "2011-03-21T10:42:35Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > All energy plants including coal plants are run by huge corporations that cut safety… So … is this a no? ---
**Author:** ![randy054](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@randy054](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randy054)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/699 "2011-03-21T11:11:59Z")
Can someone tell me where the spent fuel rod cooling pool, and rods would be in this picture? This is reactor number 3 also. [http://tvde.web.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/jlab-dat/s/795434.jpg](http://tvde.web.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/jlab-dat/s/795434.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/700 "2011-03-21T11:13:46Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > At least 200,000 people had to evacuate their homes. I thought the evacuation number was closer to 80,000… when did it increase? > [@](#): > > Even more people have been told to stay indoors. You aren’t supposed to buy food from the Fukushima area. However, the levels are low enough that if you _had_ to go outside to go somewhere or get something done, or if you did eat a serving of food from the Fukushima area, it’s not going to make you sick. It’s just better to avoid all that, as radiation isn’t something you should seek out. And pregnant women and children especially should be shielded. The Japanese government makes this information available to people rather than hiding it, and the chicken littles declare the sky is falling and the government is for some inexplicable reason hiding a much greater threat. Really? If the intent was to hide stuff why bother saying anything? Why bother evacuating? It’s not like you can see/smell/hear/taste/touch radiation, if they said nothing people wouldn’t know. What a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. It’s like pollution alert days - the authorities say they air will be poor quality, limit outside activities, those at special risk (respiratory disorders, heart disease) please stay indoors. The difference is that people have some perception of air pollution, so when they go outside about their business they can tell, well, it’s not _too_ bad or oh, it’s worse than last week. Only this time it’s radiation which people can’t sense and don’t understand and there’s always that part of the crowd that likes to scare people needlessly. > [@](#): > > How can this not make matters in that area much, much worse than they were? Instead of sitting in a shelter right now, all those people could be home, maybe sheltering other survivors. You are aware that a significant part of the evacuation area around Fukushima was hit by the tsunami, right? Some of those people would have been in shelters anyway, the difference is that the shelters they’re at are a little further away than they would be otherwise. And yes, some of the area has intact homes. Yes, the evacuation is inconvenient. But, you know, if there were a major wildfire in the area people would need to be evacuated, too. Again, the government can’t win - if they evacuate people to provide maximum protection for their health they’re the bad guys. If they don’t evacuate people they’re the bad guys. Even when they do evacuate people those just a little further out scream they’re being left to die and want to be evacuated so the government are the bad guys again. I swear, some people would want the whole country evacuated, or maybe the planet. > [@](#): > > I can certainly tell you there are a lot of firemen, cops, and workers tied up with that stupid nuke plant who could, and I guarantee you would, be helping civilians. By dealing with the power plant they ARE helping civilians. The sooner it is dealt with the sooner people can go home and start rebuilding. During a disaster you don’t get to pick and choose which messes need to be attended to. You deal with what is actually on the ground. > [@](#): > > I hope you’re not suggesting everyone currently engaged in dealing with the nuclear crisis just walk away and start paying more attention to other more important matters? Believe me, if they did that, things could get much worse than now. This is true - the nuclear problem needs to be dealt with. It IS serious. It is not, however, the end of the world or a mass casualty event no matter what the fear-mongers would have you believe. In internet arguments such as these it seems some people aren’t happy with the middle ground - they want you to be extremely on one side or the other. Well, I agree it’s serious, but not as serious as some folks make it out to be. I don’t think the Japanese government is as forthcoming as it should be, but I don’t think there’s a vast conspiracy to hide massive clouds of radiation - for one thing, they can’t, there are too many others monitoring the situation. The Soviets tried that during Chernobyl and Europe kept saying “you’re lying - WE can detect that radioactive cloud.” We aren’t seeing that disparity here. The power company I trust less, but then, they’re being watched, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647.md?page=36)