# Stillwater OK caves to tRumpist terrorism? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 6, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252 "2020-05-06T05:22:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Turki-lurki](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turki-lurki/32/7168_2.png) [@Turki-lurki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turki-lurki)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/1 "2020-05-06T05:22:18Z")
The mayor of Stillwater OK rescinded the town ordinance requiring folks to wear masks of some kind when in public during the Covid crisis. His reason: some a$$hat threatened a store employee with a gun when the employee refused service to him unless the customer wore a mask. Seems to me that the law should come down like a ton of bricks on someone who breaks a special public health ordinance with threats of violence. The mayor thought otherwise and caved to the threat. A$$hat was never apprehended AFAIK. Presuming the a$$hat to have been trying to make a political point like the Michigan rabble, would you call this domestic terrorism? I think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/2 "2020-05-06T05:44:47Z")
It seems to me that the law should come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who threatens someone else with a gun. Seems like it should be particularly easy in this case because the jerk with a gun was NOT wearing a mask. This points to the inevitabilty that the people with guns will win. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/3 "2020-05-06T09:07:41Z")
There actually was [a report](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52540266) of someone who shot and killed a shop security guard for insisting that their daughter wear a mask. Even then they didn’t give in, and instead went after the murderers. (BBC link because they don’t have any paywalls.) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/4 "2020-05-06T09:58:44Z")
It shows that they don’t give a flying fuck about the health of the workers. How charmingly Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/5 "2020-05-06T14:58:42Z")
I suspect that it has less to do with the threats of potential violence than it does from general public outcry against the mandatory order in a highly pro-Trump city. Basically, the mayor realized that his order wasn’t going to help his re-election chances, so he used the threat of violence as an excuse to do a 180 degree flip-flop. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/6 "2020-05-06T15:09:16Z")
Yeah this totally sends the wrong message. It rewards the violence and may encourage copycatters. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/7 "2020-05-06T16:05:26Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > There actually was [a report](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52540266) of someone who shot and killed a shop security guard for insisting that their daughter wear a mask. Even then they didn’t give in, and instead went after the murderers. The murderous morons in this instance went after the security guard because he had “disrespected” their relative. It’s a long stretch to refer to this incident or the verbal and physical threats that occurred in Stillwater as “domestic terrorism”, but it’s disgusting that Stillwater officials backed down, and it doesn’t help that Trump and Pence are setting a lousy example by not wearing masks on their publicity tours. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/8 "2020-05-06T18:01:59Z")
What the hell does any of this have to do with terrorism or Donald Trump? Does the OP have a link that supports his claim that the mayor caved because of this crime or that Trump or terrorism was involved? This is one hell of a loose definition of “terrorism” in any form. It is garden variety crime. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/9 "2020-05-06T19:16:50Z")
Silly rabbit. Masks are for Antifa. ---
**Author:** ![Turki-lurki](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turki-lurki/32/7168_2.png) [@Turki-lurki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turki-lurki)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/10 "2020-05-07T00:24:54Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > What the hell does any of this have to do with terrorism or Donald Trump? > > Does the OP have a link that supports his claim that the mayor caved because of this crime or that Trump or terrorism was involved? > > This is one hell of a loose definition of “terrorism” in any form. It is garden variety crime. Here you go. There are interviews with the mayor where he speaks at some length. His logic is pretty tortured. Oklahoma city ends face mask rule for shoppers after store employees are threatened “Store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” the Stillwater city manager said. “There has been one threat of violence using a firearm.” > **[NBC News - Breaking News & Top Stories - Latest World, US & Local News](https://www.nbcnews.com)** > > Go to NBCNews.com for breaking news, videos, and the latest top stories in world news, business, politics, health and pop culture. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/11 "2020-05-07T01:00:49Z")
> [@alnath](#): > > Here you go. There are interviews with the mayor where he speaks at some length. His logic is pretty tortured. > Oklahoma city ends face mask rule for shoppers after store employees are threatened > “Store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” the Stillwater city manager said. “There has been one threat of violence using a firearm.” > [nbcnews.com](http://nbcnews.com) So where’s the actual link? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/12 "2020-05-07T08:08:49Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > So where’s the actual link? All Americans who are idiots, including Donald Trump, comprise a giant fungus-like mega-organism of stupidity, sometimes feeding on itself but more often poisoning the environment around it. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/13 "2020-05-07T08:13:42Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > What the hell does any of this have to do with terrorism or Donald Trump? > > Does the OP have a link that supports his claim that the mayor caved because of this crime or that Trump or terrorism was involved? > > This is one hell of a loose definition of “terrorism” in any form. It is garden variety crime. The use of violence to force a change in the law is pretty much the definition of terrorism, surely? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/14 "2020-05-07T12:15:54Z")
I despise these fuckers, but the mayor probably made the right call. Doubling down is only going to increase tensions. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/15 "2020-05-07T13:54:13Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > The use of violence to force a change in the law is pretty much the definition of terrorism, surely? Haven’t you learned anything from all of our school shootings? It’s not terrorism if a white guy does it! /S obviously… ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/16 "2020-05-07T14:13:01Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > All Americans who are idiots, including Donald Trump, comprise a giant fungus-like mega-organism of stupidity, sometimes feeding on itself but more often poisoning the environment around it. So, neither you, nor the OP, have anything. Duly noted. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/17 "2020-05-07T14:17:09Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > So, neither you, nor the OP, have anything. Duly noted. :rolleyes: I have a well-practiced ability to mock Americans who are dumb, and also the ability to discern when not to pretend to be indignant and eye-rolling because that simply guarantees that nobody will take me seriously at any time. That said, Trump is symptomatic of the U.S. penchant for stupidity, not the font of it, but I have no problem blaming him for encouraging the kind of atmosphere that is fostering imbecilic situations like this. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/18 "2020-05-07T14:34:58Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > The use of violence to force a change in the law is pretty much the definition of terrorism, surely? We still do not have any links or cites, let alone ones saying that this idiot pulled a gun on the store clerk to “force a change in law” in whatever way that would be accomplished by pulling a gun on a store clerk, or how this is related to Donald Trump. What we have is one incident in Oklahoma where a guy pulls a gun on a store clerk, with the barest of details, and the claim is that it is Trump-sponsored terrorism. I thought this board usually required a tad more than that, but of course, we are talking about Trump, so carry on. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/19 "2020-05-07T14:53:31Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > We still do not have any links or cites, let alone ones saying that this idiot pulled a gun on the store clerk to “force a change in law” in whatever way that would be accomplished by pulling a gun on a store clerk, or how this is related to Donald Trump. > > What we have is one incident in Oklahoma where a guy pulls a gun on a store clerk, with the barest of details, and the claim is that it is Trump-sponsored terrorism. I thought this board usually required a tad more than that, but of course, we are talking about Trump, so carry on. Correct. This thread is nothing more than TDS, writ large. “Orange Man Bad” is not a basis for a Great Debate. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252/20 "2020-05-07T15:02:52Z")
And yet, we have a side that cannot agree that Orange man is bad. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stillwater-ok-caves-to-trumpist-terrorism/853252.md?page=2)