# Stoidela, just go away, OK? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 30, 2000, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836 "2000-12-30T23:53:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/41 "2001-01-02T03:02:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > I always thought it was a prudent practice to NOT start new threads constantly. But hey - it must be OK. So let’s all start a new thread every time we see a funny cartoon, or we like a comment a fellow Doper said, or whatever. I think I’ll start 5 new threads TODAY! Hey, as long as you put them in the appropriate fora, that’s fine with me. I’m not much of a thread-starter, but I have no problem with it when others choose to do so, whether their politics are closer to **Olentzero** or to **Freedom2**. If threads aren’t posted to, they quickly sink off the front page of the forum, and then they don’t trouble anyone anymore. If they _are_ responded to, then they must be filling a need in the marketplace of ideas that is this message board. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/42 "2001-01-02T03:47:42Z")
RTF: Hmmm…OK. So if a whole lot of dopers all start quite a few threads a week (or a day) with ground-breaking topics like “look at this new cartoon I found!” or “Atta boy, \” than that is just fine? Won’t that start to clog the boards? If we _all_ were as prolific as Stoid, every new thread would probably be pushed down to the second page before they really had time to get any responses. ---
**Author:** ![NicePete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ee7513/32.png) [@NicePete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NicePete)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/43 "2001-01-02T05:43:11Z")
The Ryan said: > [@](#): > > So Stoidela has the right to say anything she wants, but no one has the right to ask her to shut up? Which, I will admit, is a valid point. We do have the right to ask (not TELL) others to shut up. Personally, I feel more comfortable asking someone to shut up based upon the manner of the their speech (e.g. when they’re talking behind me at the movie theatre) rather than based upon the substance of their speech (i.e. because I don’t like what they’re saying.) ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/44 "2001-01-02T11:07:36Z")
Mandelstam… > [@](#): > > SPOOFE, these seem like pretty tame generalizations to me… (snip)… So let me get this straight: do you think that this board is dominated by liberals? Or are you just in the mood to yank chains? Whoever said it had to be one or the other? I said that liberals are NOT outnumbered. I didn’t say they “dominated”. Do we have a lot of conservatives? You bet. Do we have a lot of liberals? You bet. Depending on which topic we’re talking about, I can be either. In a gun control thread, I’m very conservative. In a homosexuality thread, I’m very liberal. It all comes down to he “issues”. When it comes to things like religion and faith, I believe that liberalism “dominates”, for instance. > [@](#): > > As to your accusing Gadarene of not “counting” someone as a “liberal” b/c she doesn’t agree with his/her viewpoints: The reason I disagree is that lots of Democrats don’t want to be called liberal and are eager for such distinctions. So you’re saying there’s a difference between “being liberal” and “being a Liberal”. In my mind, if someone follows “liberal” ideals (which is a whole 'nother debate… if you choose, I can post my beliefs about that in GD), they’re “liberal”. I don’t care whether they call themselves “liberal” or not. They can call themselves a baked potato, and they’d still be “liberal”. > [@](#): > > A Democrat who voted for Gore and is very happy with his/her vote will probably not self-identify as a liberal. But a Democrat who voted for Nader, considered voting for Nader or who is unhappy with the DLC probably does self-identify as a liberal. And you accused _me_ of “tame generalizations”… Frankd6… > [@](#): > > Ahh, Spoofe… Thank you so much for adding to the general tenor and level of intelligent discourse hereabouts. Are you suggesting then, sir, that… > [@](#): > > Yeah! The conservatives are right! If Stoid’s opinions and attitudes are offending their sensitive psyches, she should just be forced to leave! That’s what this place is all about! … is an “intelligent discourse”? Physician, heal thyself. > [@](#): > > You two, on the other hand, seem to be suggesting that she be banned because you don’t like the content of her posts. Find me a cite for that. I never suggested that she be banned for posting content I don’t like. I suggested… no, I flat out SAID it… that she’s an irrational moron. > [@](#): > > I bet you don’t like the ACLU either. Ah, there’s that “intelligent discourse” you mentioned earlier, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > If she’s breaking the rules, contact the mods and let them boot her. So you’re saying, “If you don’t like somebody, you can’t do anything about it until they do or say something REALLY bad”? I say it again… you, sir, are an idiot. > [@](#): > > Personally, I feel more comfortable asking someone to shut up based upon the manner of the their speech (e.g. when they’re talking behind me at the movie theatre) rather than based upon the substance of their speech (i.e. because I don’t like what they’re saying.) Do you even know who Stoidela _is_?!? We ARE telling her to shut up based on her “manner of speech”!! It’s not that she says something… it’s that she says it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over andoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandover… without EVER listening to a single post that might possibly contradict what she believes! It’s akin to a little child plugging their ears and saying “I can’t hear you! La la la!” when someone tells them to stop watching so much TV. RTFirefly… > [@](#): > > I’m not much of a thread-starter, but I have no problem with it when others choose to do so, whether their politics are closer to Olentzero or to Freedom2. Stoid is constantly being compared to other posters… in this case, there IS no comparison, as the only people who post dozens of threads, with the seeming intent only to stir up reaction, are… well… nevermind. I’ll put it this way… Stoid has made more “Anti-Conservative” threads in the past few months than all the posters, who made similar “Anti-Liberal” threads, combined in the same period. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/45 "2001-01-02T17:02:14Z")
> [@](#): > > In fact, there are more conservatives 'round here who seem to feel that way then there are liberals who believe the converse–not least because, as I said, it appears that there are more right-wingers on this board than left-wingers (though I think there are more Democrats than Republicans). and > [@](#): > > There are more vocal conservatives posting to this board than there are vocal liberals. You want I should do a head count? Actually, yes. I’d like you to quantify your claims. Of course, first we need to agree on the definitions of conservatives and liberals, although, I suspect that by any definition, I’m in the conservative camp. I’d also like to comment that if you’re gonna lump Republicans and Libertarians together as conservatives, you gotta include Socialists, Communists and Greens with the Democrats as liberals. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/46 "2001-01-02T18:01:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE Bo Diddly \* > Stoid has made more “Anti-Conservative” threads in the past few months than all the posters, who made similar “Anti-Liberal” threads, combined in the same period. And if it had been the other way around, it wouldn’t have bothered me in the least. Let’s scope out the possibilities: ```auto I. Nobody posts to her threads. They drop out of sight, and are quickly forgotten. II. People post to her threads. A. She's said nothing worth responding to. Well, shame on those who responded. B. She's said things worth responding to. 1. The people responding to her can come up with better counter-arguments. She'll get tired of starting threads where she loses the arguments, and will start fewer threads. 2. Her arguments are clearly better than those of the people raising counterarguments. Then unless the thread's pretty redundant, what's the problem? And if it IS, link to the nearly- identical thread, then stop responding, and let the thread drop out of sight. 3. It isn't clear who's got the best of the argument. That's the norm with MOST political issues, so again, what's the beef? Same general comment as with 2. ``` On the whole, I think that if it’s a problem, it’s probably a self-correcting one. And if it doesn’t seem to be self-correcting soon enough, we have these guys/gals called ‘moderators’. Since we’re primarily talking about GD here, has anyone emailed **Gaudere** or **DavidB** to see what their take is on this? As I said, if a conservative or libertarian were starting threads in the quantity that Stoid does, I personally wouldn’t be bothered in the least. ( **Libertarian** did this for awhile, so I speak from experience.) I respond to threads that interest me, to the extent that time allows, and pass up those that don’t. Simple, yet effective. Right now, btw, **two** of the 50 threads on p.1 of the GD forum were started by Stoid. (And none of the 20 threads on p.2, for those who have ‘Show threads from’ set to ‘last 5 days’.) I realize it frequently _has_ been more than that lately, but this particular thread was started less than three days ago, so that means she’d started _at most two_ threads on GD in the 2+ days immediately prior to the OP. Somehow, I don’t think our mods are going to consider that to be a red flag. [Edited by John Corrado on 01-02-2001 at 04:38 PM] ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/47 "2001-01-02T18:03:17Z")
Well, here’s how I look at it. If someone can call the Democratic Party “socialist” while keeping a straight face, they’re pretty much a knee-jerk right-wing ideologue. Similarly, if someone can call the Republican Party “evil” while managing not to laugh, they’re a knee-jerk _left-wing_ ideologue. Furthermore, if anyone consistently advances arguments in support of their belief system which are intellectually dishonest, overly vituperative, or logically bereft, then they’re just spewing partisan polemic and it’s hard for me to take them seriously. Under these criteria, based on my observations: Non-_ad hominem_ conservatives\* include but are not limited to **John Corrado** , **IzzyR** , **Sam Stone** , **divemaster** , **Anthracite** , **Jodi** , and **Necros**. _Ad hominem_ conservatives include but are not limited to **The Ryan** , **Wildest Bill** , **Diceman** , **Crafter Man** , **astorian** , **puddleglum** , **grienspace** , **Scylla** , **Asmodean** , and **Freedom2**. Non-_ad hominem_ liberals include but are not limited to **Kimstu** , **xenophon41** , **Mandelstam** , **RTFirefly** , **Gaudere** , **Arnold Winkelried** , **jshore** , and, I hope, myself. _Ad hominem_ liberals include but are not limited to **Stoidela** , **RTA** , **oldscratch** , and…I’m sure y’all can think of several more; at the moment, I can’t. \*By labelling these people as “liberal” and “conservative” I am making a _judgment_ based upon what I perceive to be the prevailing sentiment in their posts. It’s entirely possible that I’m completely wrong. If someone I’ve styled as “conservative” identifies themselves instead as libertarian or moderate or liberal or unclassifiable, _mea culpa_; I’m just trying to give a sense of how I see the left and right wings breaking down on this board. But this is a silly tangent, anyway. Like **Milo** says (!), _every_ group is outnumbered by all the rest on this board–the exact boundaries are defined by your particular perception. (How about this, **Milo**? On most economic threads, people who take the “liberal” view usually find themselves in the minority to opposing “conservatives” and “libertarians,” while in most social threads its usually the “conservatives” who find themselves in the minority to the “libertarians” and “liberals.” Damn quote marks.) And you’re right, **SPOOFE** , in that a more liberal religious view probably predominates here–at least insofar as most of the vocal posters on this board generally consider scientific creationism and religious intolerance to be Very Bad Things[sup]tm[/sup], and insofar as considering scientific creationism and religious intolerance to _be_ Very Bad Things[sup]tm[/sup] is a liberal attribute, which it’s really not. However. There _is_ a substantive difference between a Democrat and a liberal. For you to contest that is simply to display a sweeping ignorance both of the history of American politics and of current events. > [@](#): > > Now you play the semantics game… “He’s a Democrat, but he’s not REALLY liberal…” In other words, you don’t > want to count someone as a “liberal” just because YOU don’t entirely agree with some of his or her viewpoints. It’s got very little to do with whether or not I agree with their viewpoints. As **Mandelstam** says, it has _something_ to do with what they call themselves, but it goes beyond that. If we call Dianne Feinstein a liberal when she has consistently championed causes which are anathema to most of the progressive movement, then what are people like Jim Hightower or Paul Wellstone? (No, not “socialists.”) By using the appellations “Democrats” and “liberals” interchangeably, you’re relegating anyone to the left of the Democratic Party to the radical fringe, and crafting anyone _in_ the left of the Democratic Party as being functionally indistinguishable from a Blue Dog or a member of the DLC. (Oh, and look into the Democratic Leadership Council, will ya? It embodies that Venn diagram I was talking about.) > [@](#): > > So you’re saying there’s a difference between “being liberal” and “being a Liberal”. In my mind, if someone follows “liberal” ideals (which is a whole 'nother debate… if you choose, I can post my beliefs about that in GD), they’re “liberal”. I don’t care whether they call themselves “liberal” or not. They can call themselves a baked potato, and they’d still be “liberal”. But as you said earlier, most people are more complex than this. Most people, in fact, _are_ baked potatoes. Political ideology isn’t a linear thing, and it’s certainly not binary. I kinda think of it like the Kinsey spectrum, except with a bunch more externalities. What makes someone a liberal or conservative changes not only with the issue but with the time, as **Kimstu** elegantly pointed out on one of the GD ideology threads. Today’s progressive may be tomorrow’s reactionary, even if their views stay the same. So though I’m classifying people here as “liberal” and “conservative,” I think most people fall somewhere in the middle. Hell, I think most people _on this board_ fall somewhere in the middle, though they might lean a bit to the right, like you, or the left, like **tomndebb**. But you don’t get to say, “I don’t care what they call themselves, this is what they are.” That’s not accurate, and it’s more than a little presumptuous…it’s damn likely that they know better than you what they believe and where it fits in, generally, with the beliefs of the people around them. > [@](#): > > Do you even know who Stoidela is?!? We ARE telling her to shut up based on her “manner of speech”!! It’s not > that she says something… it’s that she says it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over > [snipped for line wrap]… without EVER listening to a single post that might possibly contradict what she believes! And this is what I find so goddamn ridiculous. How can you make blanket condemnations like this? Do you even _read_ **Stoidela’s** posts, or do you just roll your eyes? I’ve seen her have a reasoned political debate _many_ times–contrary to your assertion, **Stoidela** almost always listens to the opposition’s objections and tries to respond to them. No, she doesn’t really budge from her beliefs, and yeah, she probably starts too many threads…but she’s **certainly** not this chattering childish automaton that you’ve made her out to be! Here’s a hint: if you ever find yourself writing a sentence that contains an unqualified assertion about someone else (“she NEVER does this,” “he ALWAYS does this”), then that assertion is most likely wrong and you’re probably gonna look like a dolt for having written the sentence. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/48 "2001-01-02T18:34:33Z")
Changed the ‘Show threads from’ to 10 days in GD, and guess what - no additional Stoid-started threads. So during the week-plus immediately preceding the OP, Stoidela started **exactly two** GD threads - and one of those was a link to that cute Occam’s Razor graphic about the existence of God. So kwitcherbitchen about a ‘problem’ that, to the extent that it existed, was gone well before this thread was started. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/49 "2001-01-02T19:32:27Z")
Hey **Gadarene,** Where do you get off calling me an “Ad Hominem Conservative?” You rotten sonuvabitch! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/50 "2001-01-02T19:43:01Z")
That’s funny, **Scylla**. 🙂 I never said you didn’t have a sense of humor! Lemme clarify, too, that among the _ad hominem_ conservatives and liberals I was including both knee-jerk ideologues and just, well, _jerk_ ideologues. If it helps, **Scylla** , I think of you more as the former than the latter. _grin_ Oh, and add _Chronolicht_ to the list of _ad hominem_ liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/51 "2001-01-02T19:49:17Z")
So what am I, chopped liver? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/52 "2001-01-02T19:56:23Z")
While just being strictly humorous in the previous post, my feelings are hurt. Any Ad Hominem attacks I’ve engaged in have been at specific people, for specific behavior, not at general political beleifs. Stoid has personally earned my ire in the past. Not because she was a liberal, but because I thought she was being a jerk. I’ve always liked her though. I’ve attacked Rush Limbaugh, Jesse Jackson, Al Gore, and that SOS lady in Florida, again not because of political beleifs, but because of reprehensible behavior. So, I think I’ve been mischaracterized. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/53 "2001-01-02T20:09:34Z")
Well, like I said in the previous post, if I _did_ mischaracterize you, that’s my fault and I’m sorry. It’s my perception that you’ve been intellectually dishonest in some past threads, **Scylla** –that is, I remember you making assertions which had already been shown to be wrong, and doing so in what seemed to be a persistently ideological manner. To me, there’s no greater sin on this board than to deliberately foster ignorance in the face of verifiable facts (it’s why I go nuclear every time someone talks about how much the media vilified Ronald Reagan, for instance). That little list of “good” and “bad” conservatives and liberals was nobody’s opinion but my own, and it’s certainly subject to change; I did list my criteria, though, so that people might see where I was coming from. Oh, and **Maeglin**? Yes, you are chopped liver. If it helps, though, you’re not _ad hominem_ chopped liver. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/54 "2001-01-02T20:18:09Z")
Gadarene: may I trouble you for a cite or two of my “ad hominem conservatism.” I did read your criteria, and I try hard not to do what your suggesting. Sometimes looking in the mirror impartially isn’t easy though. Time might make it easier to see my error(s), if I indeed made them. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/55 "2001-01-02T21:02:54Z")
> [@](#): > > If it helps, though, you’re not ad hominem chopped liver. Whew! Even though I don’t qualify as a liberal, at least I’m not _ad hominem_ chopped liver! _Mehercule_! 😉 MR ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/56 "2001-01-02T22:36:05Z")
I’ve gotta stick up for **Scylla** as a fundamentally honest poster. I’ve been in threads with him since early last year, and I’ve always seen good arguments and good questions from him. I’ve never seen him as a knee-jerk of any stripe. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/57 "2001-01-02T22:54:43Z")
Fair enough, **Rufe**. Tell you what, **Scylla** –I know that you do pride yourself on your ability to change your worldview when new information presents itself, and I agree that generally you’re able to do this very well. So I’ll retract what I said about your being an _ad hominem_ conservative–'specially since I don’t have the energy at the moment to go sifting through election threads in search of the stuff I thought I saw. Here’s the provision, though: if I _do_ see you jerking that knee, I reserve the right to call you on it and point you back to this thread. Deal? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/58 "2001-01-02T22:58:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Sometimes looking in the mirror impartially isn’t easy though. Hey! No fair being honest and self-aware, dammit! ---
**Author:** ![scratch1300](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@scratch1300](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scratch1300)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/59 "2001-01-02T23:02:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by xenophon41 \* > **Scylla, you hard-nosed bastard…** Hard-_nosed_? I thought it was his right _ball_ that was calcifying… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/60 "2001-01-02T23:28:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Non-ad hominem liberals include but are not limited to Kimstu, xenophon41, Mandelstam, RTFirefly, Gaudere, Arnold Winkelried, jshore, and, I hope, myself. You forgot **Ankh\_Too** , although people like Stoid and Chronolicht claim that (s)he’s not a liberal… which I disagree with. > [@](#): > > There is a substantive difference between a Democrat and a liberal. For you to contest that is simply to display a sweeping ignorance both of the history of American politics and of current events. No no no no, I didn’t say they’re the same thing. My apologies. I’m saying, if we’re going to compare conservatives to liberals, we really shouldn’t get down into “they’re not liberal enough to be a liberal”, because, like I said, it depends on a person’s POV. In the eyes of some, I’m probably very liberal. So for the sake of THIS argument, I think it’d be prudent to stick with the “All Dems are liberal, but not all liberals are Dems” notion (which isn’t always true, I know… it’s a generalized statement). > [@](#): > > Do you even read Stoidela’s posts, or do you just roll your eyes? Well, okay, you’re right. I should clarify. In this thread, I’m referring almost primarily to Stoid’s tendency (in the weeks preceding and following the election) to get a “Bush is evil!” comment in edgewise at any opportunity. I will admit that, outside of “loaded” topics, I often find myself on Stoid’s side. Why? Because I guess she just doesn’t find herself as “emotionally involved” in topics like “What constitutes child pornography?” and such. I HAVE been overgeneralizing about her. For that, I apologize. But DAGNAMMIT, it gets annoying when a debate about candidates is interrupted by “so-and-so is a horrible, horrible person controlled by horrible, horrible people!” If she doesn’t want to be defending herself all the time, she shouldn’t go on the offensive so much. And you’re right, she HAS stopped the “start a new thread every day” routine. But she still keeps it up occasionally in a perfectly innocuous thread… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836.md?page=4)