# Stoidela, you think the North is better than the South?? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2000, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190 "2000-11-14T19:48:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/101 "2000-11-16T01:05:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Care to place a bet on whether or not VoR is a sock puppet? I mean, I realize that the last bet you placed on here didn’t go particularly well, so forgive me if I’m not standing in awe of your prognostication ability. hehehehe… I MIGHT have a chance to win this one. VOR is now starting threads in GD about the election. If he starts a couple more, her cover is blown:) ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/102 "2000-11-16T01:12:57Z")
You will find my post here: [What will you do?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=46124) > [@](#): > > I’ll tell you what I’m going to do. I’m going to take a break from this whole thing. I’m feeling a little to involved in a re-count of a pesidential election. I’m not coming near this computer tomorrow, and I’m going to try my hardest not to even think about this election until more info comes out. > > I have a feeling this will drag on for a week or so. (hopefully no more) I have also almost resigned myself to a Gore presidency. See you in a day or so. > > To paraphrase Torricelli, > > I really want Bush to win, but even more than that, I want SOMEONE to win. > > 11-11-2000 08:10 PM The only real reason I posted that was because I had been very active in the debates, and didn’t want someone wondering why I hadn’t responded to any of their questions. I realize there are a myriad of election threads, so I just picked one where I thought it fit best and took off. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/103 "2000-11-16T01:21:33Z")
> [@](#): > > _yosemitebabe_: I have a friend from Georgia who would strongly disagree with your belief. He would also strongly disagree with Stoid’s attitude, particularly her idea that because these rural folk are less “sophisticated”, they make their voting choices based on other criteria than she would, and she thinks this is “tragic”. I cannot say whether urban folk are more “sophisticated” or not, or what bearing that has on political leaning. I did point out earlier, though, that with cable TV and the Internet, the playing field is leveled out a bit more. Well, I’m from Georgia also, so I guess your friend and I have different takes on what we observe. I’m going with the definition of “sophistication” as meaning “more knowledgeable and disillusioned” as well as “more cultivated and urbane.” I grant your point re: TV and the internet, but I live in a rural county and work in an urban center and I can tell you there are still some radical differences in mindset between the two. Please understand that I don’t entirely agree that a more basic and simple approach to voting is “tragic”; I don’t think it precludes awareness of the issues in any way, and can provide a good moral yardstick for decision making. > [@](#): > > Besides, this thread has mutated into more than “city mouse/country mouse” and we all know it. You’re quite right. And I hope it’s not a particularly viable mutation… ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/104 "2000-11-16T01:47:40Z")
Me too. I hope I’m wrong. When I get pissed I’m a real ass. ---
**Author:** ![NicePete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ee7513/32.png) [@NicePete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NicePete)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/105 "2000-11-16T01:54:15Z")
> [@](#): > > And I’m sure a gentlement like you wouldn’t toy with my emotions just so you can look at the naked girls. Perish the thought, my dear. Most sincerely, you have long been on my short list of respected posters. ---
**Author:** ![kellibelli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@kellibelli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kellibelli)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/106 "2000-11-16T01:54:41Z")
> [@](#): > > And for everyone else, please go up and read TVoR’s post in defense of Stoidela. Right on! I agree with it completely. So do I, and like punditlisa put it(IIRC) if they are the same person, I am Norman Mailer. And to continuously dismiss the content of a post because you think they might be a sock puppet is the message board equivalent of covering your ears with your hands and singing “I cant HEAR you LA LA LA LA LA!” ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/107 "2000-11-16T02:16:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by xenophon41 \* > > Well, I’m from Georgia also, so I guess your friend and I have different takes on what we observe. I’m going with the definition of “sophistication” as meaning “more knowledgeable and disillusioned” as well as “more cultivated and urbane.” I don’t know about “more knowledgeable”, but you might be right about the rest - I won’t dispute this any further. > [@](#): > > Please understand that I don’t entirely agree that a more basic and simple approach to voting is “tragic”; I don’t think it precludes awareness of the issues in any way, and can provide a good moral yardstick for decision making. Yes, I agree. I think this was the part of Stoid’s statement that stuck in my craw the most. It wasn’t so much the “unsophisticated” label, it was the overall superior attitude and the use of the word “tragic” in describing these peoples’ reasons for making political choices. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/108 "2000-11-16T02:58:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kellibelli \* > > > [@](#): > > > > And for everyone else, please go up and read TVoR’s post in defense of Stoidela. Right on! I agree with it completely. > > So do I, and like punditlisa put it(IIRC) if they are the same person, I am Norman Mailer. Hey, **kel**? That was me. 🙂 And we can’t _all_ be Norman Mailer. Someone’s gotta be Philip Roth, or something. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/109 "2000-11-16T03:12:14Z")
I e-mailed a Mod. They checked out TVOR And the mod told me quite defintively that TVOR is… Wait, who’s that!!! No, stay away, no. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! Tvor is… is… is… ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/110 "2000-11-16T03:14:58Z")
> [@](#): > > And to continuously dismiss the content of a post because you think they might be a sock puppet is the message board equivalent of covering your ears with your hands and singing “I cant HEAR you LA LA LA LA LA!” I addressed this type of reaction here: > [@](#): > > At this point I feel VOR is a troll. I have a pretty hard and fast rule not to waste time and energy feeding the trolls. If you would like to take ownership of everything VOR has said, I will be happy to debate it with you. > > Please re-read the entire first post by him(her?) though. If we are going to argue it, I don’t want you bailing out on certain points by claiming you didn’t say them. If there are only specific things you want addressed in his post, just pull them out and post them as your own. > > I will not feed what I consider a troll. I will not be goaded into argueing with a sock puppet for the pleasure of random spectators. If you want to see a specific issue addressed, then address it yourself. I will be happy to respond to any **REAL** posters. Just make sure you take ownership of anything you post. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/111 "2000-11-16T03:26:23Z")
Managed to cut in the auxilliary power, reboot, and stop the bleeding. I e-mailed Gaudere with my suspicions concerning TVOR and Stoid, she checked it out and said… AHHHHHHHHHHHH! ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/112 "2000-11-16T03:37:52Z")
You are killing me Scylla. Absolutely killing me. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/113 "2000-11-16T03:48:21Z")
Bad news, dude. TVOR’s clean. Don’t worry though Bush’ll still win, and we’ll be laughing then. TVOR: To respond to your post, this problem that you’ve walked into is a lot bigger and has been going on a lot longer than one little comment. Sorry for doubting you. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/114 "2000-11-16T05:12:11Z")
_Now_ you see why we don’t like seeing people crying “troll” or “sockpuppet” all the time? Even if you’re right, you’re highly disruptive; if you’re wrong, you make a newbie’s first posts very uncomfortable, and he/she/it might even leave the board. We don’t want to scare away new posters by having the regs descend on them like screaming demons because they “think” they’re a troll or a sockpuppet, and it contributes to an overall rancorous and suspicious tone of the MB to have accusations like this flying about. Email the mods/admins with your suspicions and we’ll check them out; eschew troll and sock hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/115 "2000-11-16T08:19:00Z")
Anyone out there supporting of Stoidela’s hate-filled, hopelessly misguided, retardedly condescending, bigoted and just-plain-dumb generalizations as posted in this thread is invited to lick my ass-crack – after my hockey league night – before the shower. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/116 "2000-11-16T13:17:01Z")
…politely declines **Milossarian** ’s gracious offer. ---
**Author:** ![johnson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@johnson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnson)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/117 "2000-11-16T13:18:12Z")
> [@](#): > > **Milossarian** and **Freedom2** ; ideologue much? I’ve about decided while reading the myriad election threads in here that you’re both too blinded by your own rhetoric to bother with. Funny–I’d say the same thing about a certain subject of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/118 "2000-11-16T14:02:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by johnson \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > **Milossarian** and **Freedom2** ; ideologue much? I’ve about decided while reading the myriad election threads in here that you’re both too blinded by your own rhetoric to bother with. > > Funny–I’d say the same thing about a certain subject of this thread. \*\* **johnson** , frankly, I can’t disagree with you. But that aint the point. I understand that **Miloss** and **Freedom** despise **Stoid** for what she’s written in other threads; what I object to is their deliberate obtuseness and provocative twisting of **Stoid** ’s words IN THIS THREAD to support their hatred of her. I’ve always considered that a dirty rhetorical trick used by people who can’t support their ideas with logic. Both of these posters are of course perfectly free loathe anyone they want to and deride any comments they feel are particularly risible; hell, I’ll even join 'em if they make their points well enough. But when they choose to misinterpret remarks so egregiously as to set up a straw man misrepresentation of their opponent, they lose my support and a good portion of my respect. Say what you will about **Stoidela** ’s political tunnel vision, she at least has not stooped to the level some of her detractors seem to prefer. Her offensive and insulting remarks are directed at particular ideological groups. I consider that a divisive and unproductive method of debate, but it’s also a commonly accepted method, one that’s employed quite frequently by some of the very people attacking her for it! There’s a word used to describe people who make those pot-kettle accusations… ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/119 "2000-11-16T14:51:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Bad news, dude. TVOR’s clean. > [@](#): > > Now you see why we don’t like seeing people crying “troll” or “sockpuppet” all the time? > [@](#): > > Email the mods/admins with your suspicions and we’ll check them out; eschew troll and sock hunting. WTF??? Would you mind telling me how you mods are endowed with the ability to declare someone a sock puppet or not? Either way, I made my position clear from the get go with VOR, that sock puppet or first time poster, they were in the wrong thread as far as I was concerned. > [@](#): > > what I object to is their deliberate obtuseness and provocative twisting of Stoid’s words IN THIS THREAD to support their hatred of her. I’ve always considered that a dirty rhetorical trick used by people who can’t support their ideas with logic. Please show me where I have twisted her words and I will apoligize. > [@](#): > > But when they choose to misinterpret remarks so egregiously as to set up a straw man misrepresentation of their opponent, they lose my support and a good portion of my respect. C’mon…out with it!!! Show me one straw man I have created in this thread. If I have been making straw men to beat apart then I want to know. I was only feeling relief because I thought I was beating on stoidela, not some scarecrow.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Needs2know](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@Needs2know](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Needs2know)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/120 "2000-11-16T15:02:27Z")
Oh but Gaud they do…decend, screaming and accusing. Remember those months back when my first posts were usually to the religion threads. I simply couldn’t understand why Christians were constantly the recipients of so much vitriol on this board. I couldn’t for the life of me understand why someone as intellegent and cultured as yourself could be so insensitive as to constantly make fun of this group, misguided though some of them may be. Do you remember? Of course I stopped posting, I stopped warning the big dummy newbie Christian posters from making silly illogical statements. Maybe Friend of God got me out of that, he was if nothing else convinced of the divine. Wonder if he still prays for the heathens on the SDMB? I was very concerned at the time about the lack of civility on this board. Xeno is right about just about everything in this thread. A few months back in addition to taking heat for my pleas to treat the Christians a little more kindly I took an awful lot of heat from Southerners. Very few posters that hailed from south of the Mason Dixion liked my proposal that they were contributing to their own negative sterotypes. Any of you guys remember…Southern Style…VAHermit. They hated my diatribes on the romance Southerners have with the Civil War. They defended the waving of that damned Tennesse Battle Flag with that same old “heritage not hate” line. I was even accused of not really being Southern because I’m from Virginia and not Georgia. Made me chuckle to thinking about how long a Georgian would last around here if they labled most of my fellow Virginians not really Southern. I’m sure they’d at least give you a tour of Monument Avenue and the Museumn of the Confederacy before they tarred, feathered and dragged you through the swamp. Stoid…is having fun with you guys. She’s enjoying all the attention. And she isn’t going to be convinced that her political ideologies aren’t the most honorable. She knows that what she believes is the least selfish and most civilized approach to how this country should be run. Nothing anyone says will change her point of view. She’s been baiting and goading you guys now for over a week. One of you actually resorted to calling her a cunt. Nice! I like that one. Last guy that called me a cunt was losing the argument and not only resorted to using the “C word”, he resorted to using his fists. Are you one of those kind of guys too? Little advice…don’t call women you haven’t slept with a cunt. Even then you aren’t allowed unless she sleeps with your best friend in your own bed, runs up all your credit cards and makes you pay them off, then goes around and tells all of her friends that your dick is tiny and you couldn’t find a woman’s clitoris with a road map. It just isn’t done. Stoid…I’d like to say that you’re running out of bait but from the looks of your new thread in GD this morning it doesn’t seem that’s the case. I just hope you aren’t getting permanent wrinkles from all the laughing you’ve been doing behind your hand. What are you gonna do when he loses? Because I think you should be happy your man did as well as he did. I never expected him to get this far. How’s that for cynical. Needs2know [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190.md?page=7)