# Stoidela, you think the North is better than the South?? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2000, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190 "2000-11-14T19:48:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/121 "2000-11-16T15:28:00Z")
needs2know: [Yoda immitation] Hrrrmmmm. Wise you seem. Put your finger on it, you have. Much credit have you given Stoidela I think. Not deliberate her behavior is. Correct you are in essence. [/Yoda imtitation] ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/122 "2000-11-16T15:32:06Z")
> [@](#): > > One of you actually resorted to calling her a cunt. Nice! I like that one. Last guy that called me a cunt was losing the argument and not only resorted to using the “C word”, he resorted to using his fists. Are you one of those kind of guys too? Little advice…don’t call women you haven’t slept with a cunt. Even then you aren’t allowed unless she sleeps with your best friend in your own bed, runs up all your credit cards and makes you pay them off, then goes around and tells all of her friends that your dick is tiny and you couldn’t find a woman’s clitoris with a road map. It just isn’t done. And joining stoidela in the generalization of the week award is… **Needs2Know**!!! Sure…I called her a cunt so I must be a physically abusive person in real life. Take hike. When I want your advice on what insults are appropriate I will give you a call. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/123 "2000-11-16T15:47:47Z")
> [@](#): > > C’mon…out with it!!! Show me one straw man I have created in this thread. If I have been making straw men to beat apart then I want to know. I was only feeling relief because I thought I was beating on stoidela, not some scarecrow. 🙂 Oooookay. Here we go, boys and girls. \<_xeno holds his nose and reaches deep into the first page of the thread, feels around, pulls out a tiny straw creature reeking of indignation and tosses it to the SDMB floor, where it crawls around, mewling pathetically_\> Exhibit A **Freedom2** paraphrases **Stoidela** in a _slightly_ disingenuous manner: > [@](#): > > To all my loyal subjects, > > Republicans have no right to live. They should be shot and buried for the sake of the people. We should rely on the sophisticated democrats who are more enlightened than the simple country folk to make the decisions on who deserves to live. If you happen to disagree with me, you are either selfish, simple or ignorant. If I post something that gets ripped apart because it makes ME sound ignorant, I reserve the right to pretend that I have ignored all critizing posts and post a spontaneuos clarification. My clarification has no obligation to be consistent with my original posts, even if I have been defending them for an entire thread. > > When confronted with people who are frustrated by my inablity to acknowlegde my own posts, I will become Queen Stoidela, and refer to them in condescending terms. I will then proceed to fabricate a fantasy land existence to dispel any negative impressions anyone may have about me. > Your Queen, > > Stoidela Here’s a link to the definition of [“straw man”](http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/straw.htm) **Freedom2**. If you still don’t think it describes what you did, well, I won’t waste any more of your time. ---
**Author:** ![Needs2know](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@Needs2know](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Needs2know)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/124 "2000-11-16T15:50:31Z")
You may not be physically abusive but I’d be willing to bet that your dick is tiny and you couldn’t find a woman’s clitoris with a road map. Needs2know ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/125 "2000-11-16T15:52:04Z")
[Greg Brady Imitation] I think we’ve all learned a valuable lesson here today. In fighting ignorance, just because your right doesn’t mean you can become ignorant. Otherwise you become what you fight, and that’s not right, it’s ignorant. Who wants to go for an ice cream? [/Greg Brady Imitation] ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/126 "2000-11-16T15:55:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Needs2know \* > \*\*You may not be physically abusive but I’d be willing to bet that your dick is tiny and you couldn’t find a woman’s clitoris with a road map. > > Needs2know \*\* [Yoda] Anger is the path to the Dark side. Give in to it you must not[/Yoda] ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/127 "2000-11-16T16:07:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > \*\*[Greg Brady Imitation] > > I think we’ve all learned a valuable lesson here today. > > In fighting ignorance, just because your right doesn’t mean you can become ignorant. Otherwise you become what you fight, and that’s not right, it’s ignorant. > > Who wants to go for an ice cream? > > [/Greg Brady Imitation] \*\* [Kung Fu, the Message Board] You have learned well, Grasshopper… [/KF,tMB] ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/128 "2000-11-16T16:11:30Z")
Nice try but no cigar. From your link: > [@](#): > > Straw Man > > Definition: > > The author attacks an argument which is different from, and usually weaker than, the opposition’s best argument. I was not trying to attack stoidela based on that post. She threw out a challenge to just post whatever we wanted and tack her name on to the end of it. I responded with a **PARODY** of stoidela’s writing. [Definition](http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=parody) > [@](#): > > par·o·dy (pr-d) > n. par·o·dies. > 1. > > a. \*\* A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature. \*\* > > b. The genre of literature comprising such works. > > 1. > > Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice. > > 1. > > Music. The practice, popular in the 15th and 16th centuries, of significantly reworking an already established composition, especially the incorporation into the Mass of material borrowed from other works, such as motets or madrigals. Feel free to try again. ---
**Author:** ![Needs2know](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5e925/32.png) [@Needs2know](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Needs2know)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/129 "2000-11-16T16:14:49Z")
Ahhh! Thank you Grasshopper…the teacher often learns from the student… I take it back Freedom… I’m sure your pee-pee is huge or at least adequate. And you very likely no more directionally challenged than the average guy. Needs2know…Why is it that men are so good at reading road maps? Because it’s so much easier for them to picture an inch as equaling a mile. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/130 "2000-11-16T16:32:51Z")
Hey **TheVoiceOfReason** : The following > [@](#): > > They (Texans) have the same, religion-heavy, grits-eating, drawling, mama-loving, macho, let’s-go-huntin’ culture as the rest of the South. is my line, and I’ll thank you not to quote it without attribution. 😉 See, I get to say all this stuff about Southerners because I am one. And one of those poor benighted rural Southerners to boot! (Or at least I was raised as one.) Besides which, I don’t see anything negative about what I said. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/131 "2000-11-16T16:42:44Z")
**Freedom2** : So the fact that **Stoidela** _invited_ you to build a straw man makes your straw man legit? Look, the deliberate misrepresentation of your opponent’s statements in the middle of an argument, intended as yours was to show the perceived weaknesses of your opponent’s argument, is, regardless of its humorous intent, \ a STRAW MAN. Call it parody if you like; you used it to portray her position inaccurately. Shall we look at some other comments of yours? > [@](#): > > I picture stoidela as this 20something bitch that never met a man she didn’t despise. I am guessing that she constantly wonders why everyone hates her, and has convinced herself that it couldn’t POSSIBLY be her fault, so everyone else must be less sophisticated and selfish. and > [@](#): > > The only difference between stoidela and a Klan member is that they look down on different groups. and > [@](#): > > …I understand as much about you as I need to. Your thinking is probably similiar to those people who were brain-washed by the propaganda of Hitler, Mao and Stalin. Or maybe you would have fit right in with the French Revolution. Do you even see how you are driven by propaganda? Do you see that your entire world view is an us against them, no holds barred, anything goes war? Can you say Straw-idela? ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/132 "2000-11-16T18:43:26Z")
xeno: I could not care less that Stoidela or anyone else is a Democrat or Republican; or supports Bush or Gore winning this election. Other than for the purposes of debate. That’s politics. What I object to is her repeated assertion that rural Americans, southern Americans and Republican-supporting Americans are less sophisticated than the urban liberal group she (surprise, surprise) just happens to be a member of. Misrepresented her words? And you accuse me of making statements based on a lack of logic, but she just has “political tunnel vision?” Please. Whose partisanship is clouding whose judgement? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/133 "2000-11-16T19:55:18Z")
Xenophon: > [@](#): > > Strawdela Hmmm. I might be able to use that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/134 "2000-11-16T20:38:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Misrepresented her words? And you accuse me of making statements based on a lack of logic, but she just has “political tunnel vision?” > > Please. > > Whose partisanship is clouding whose judgement? [list=a][li]It’s easy to pick apart many of **Stoidela** ’s statements. I’ve disagreed with alot of them here. Are you upset because I didn’t foam at the mouth when I disagreed with her?[_]“Political tunnel vision” is a pretty fair description for someone who can’t see the self-serving machinations of her favored candidate, but can see them with brilliant clarity when they’re employed by the other party.[_]I’d consider charges that my judgement is clouded more seriously if they weren’t coming from someone who’s displayed extreme contempt for opposing political points of view in so many recent threads.[/list=a][/li] > [@](#): > > What I object to is her repeated assertion that rural Americans, southern Americans and **Republican-supporting** Americans are less sophisticated than the urban liberal group she (surprise, surprise) just happens to be a member of. _(Emphasis inserted by me. -xeno)_ _sigh_ Show me precisely where Stoid asserted that “Republican-supporting Americans” were less sophisticated. (I’m aware that she considers Republican conservatives self-serving and venal; that’s a different -and contrary- argument.) Her assertion was that, according to statistics (for which she did not provide a link), most Americans approved of Clinton’s policies, that they thought Gore would probably continue Clinton’s policies, but since many of these people instead voted for Bush, they based their decision on Al’s association with Bill, and on their perception that George W. is more morally upright. She went on to assert that this “unsophisticated” attitude is more prevalent in the South and in rural areas of the North than it is in urban centers. _You_, **Milossarian** , inferred from this that she meant Republican = Unsophisticated. I inferred from this that she meant Southern and Rural = Unsophisticated. My interpretation is supported by **Stoidela** ’s citation of an unverified statistic that people who said they would’ve voted for Gore on the issues instead voted for Bush. Your interpretation is not supported by the context of her remarks. While I consider the general lack of sophistication outside of urban centers to be a truism (possibly a vanishing distinction, as **yosemitebabe** pointed out, but still present in our society), I find the rest of her line of logic silly, and I don’t think it’ll hold up to a critical evaluation. _But she laid down the logic underlying her conclusions._ You just stuck out your tongue and called her names. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/135 "2000-11-16T21:00:35Z")
Xenophon: I’ve been arguing with this person for a while, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard her say anything as… sophisticated as what you’ve written. I mean look at the thread titles “They through away 19,000 votes, Gore actually won!” or “Why I dont trust Republicans/Conservatives.” I think you’re reaching. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/136 "2000-11-16T21:11:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > Xenophon: > > I’ve been arguing with this person for a while, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard her say anything as… sophisticated as what you’ve written. I mean look at the thread titles “They through away 19,000 votes, Gore actually won!” or “Why I dont trust Republicans/Conservatives.” > > I think you’re reaching. Oh? This is the passage I was interpreting: > [@](#): > > If you look at the stats of why people voted for whomever they voted for, a few interesting facts emerge: > > A significant majority of all Americans are happy with the direction the country has been going in and the policies that Clinton had. Roughly the same majority will actually admit to approving of Clinton himself as a president. Now, shouldn’t that tell you that his political partner and heir should have had no trouble getting elected? Well, if everybody voted according to how they viewed the governance and policies of the candidates, (not to mention the intelligence, ability and experience) then of course not. Gore should have been swept into office with no problem. > > But wait! That didn’t happen! Why not? How could that be? If most people are happy with the way the GOVERNING is going, why wouldn’t they vote for the guy that’s pretty much guranateed to keep GOVERNING the same way? > > And then you see what people say about why they voted for Bush, even though they don’t really think his ideas are so hot and they really are happy with the way things are going…why, it’s because they think he won’t lie about things. (and THAT is stupid, but that’s not my point. Anyone who thinks they are not gonna be lied to by presidents are really dreaming). They think he’s a nice guy. They think (they don’t know, of course, because he has so little experience of doing much of anything, who can say) he more “moral”, more “dignified”. Essentially, because CLINTON (not Gore!) as a PERSON offended them and they associate Al with Bill. Now, I’m not a professional editor, but I feel I’ve summarised **Stoidela** ’s argument pretty fairly and accurately. If you can show me where I’ve contradicted or mischaracterized her remarks, please do. ---
**Author:** ![NoVoiceMoreReasonable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c6cbf5/32.png) [@NoVoiceMoreReasonable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoVoiceMoreReasonable)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/137 "2000-11-16T22:06:38Z")
Well, I thought I would register and join in the fray. There are many of us who usually just read and stay out of the fray, but I think my time has come to join in. It is fairly self-evident that stoidela has been getting under the skin of a certain group of posters. She has been posting rants in Great Debates non-stop for the last couple of weeks without being thrown over here to the pit. It takes a little time, but sooner or later the wheels of equality get around to grinding out all transgressors who dare stick their neck out on the forum. Since the mods never stepped into move her rants where they belonged, the actual members stepped in and swatted stoidela back to where she belongs. Certain members may have gone a little further than good taste would suggest was appropriate, but sometimes when the dams burst, the water crushes everything in it’s path. I notice that the little miscreant has fled this thread, but has not mended her ways in Great Debates. It looks like a schism is forming in the board, and stoidela is the one driving the two sides further and further apart. I have seen the board go through many turbulent times, and this is nowhere near the worst that I have seen it. I am sure we will all survive stoidela’s little temper tantrums. Hopefully the rest of the board will develop thicker skin and learn to ignore her. BTW… I am glad to see that mods have an open arms policy to new posters. It took a lot of courage for me to register, but now that I have, I am looking forward to fully particpating around here. Watch out world…here I come!!! ---
**Author:** ![McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/138 "2000-11-16T22:24:55Z")
Now if this isn’t sock puppeteering I don’t know what is 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/139 "2000-11-16T22:29:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Freedom2 \* > \*\* WTF??? > > Would you mind telling me how you mods are endowed with the ability to declare someone a sock puppet or not?\*\* I have a sneaking suspicion that you’re going to find out very soon… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190/140 "2000-11-16T22:43:43Z")
I would like to make it clear that I have only **ONE** sock puppet, and that is Gadarene. > [@](#): > > I’m somewhat surprised you’d out me, Freedom; after all, I’m your sock puppet! I have quite an internal battle over this, as I can never really decide if the **REAL** sock puppet is Gadarene or Freedom2. I am neither of the other 2 sock puppets in this thread. Let me say that again… \*\* I am neither of the other 2 sock puppets in this thread. \*\* I do wonder why some would only doubt the motivation behind the most recent SP as opposed to both of them though. IMHO no real lurker worth anything would choose to start posting in a pit thread if they planned on staying around for any length of time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-you-think-the-north-is-better-than-the-south/41190.md?page=8)