# Stolen Election Watch: 1 million FL voters disenfranchised **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 23, 2020, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056 "2020-07-23T00:25:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/1 "2020-07-23T00:25:17Z")
From [Slate](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/11th-circuit-florida-fines-fees-judicial-ethics.html): > On July 1, a federal appeals court lifted an order that had blocked Florida from imposing a poll tax on people convicted of felonies. The U.S. Supreme Court then [declined to step in](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19a1071_4h25.pdf). If two judges appointed by President Donald Trump had complied with the judicial [Code of Conduct](https://www.uscourts.gov/judges-judgeships/code-conduct-united-states-judges), Florida’s [discriminatory and unworkable poll tax](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/florida-amendment-4-fines-fees-unconstitutional-ruling.html) might well have remained blocked through Election Day. And Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee are now demanding that these judges explain their justification for flouting their ethical duties. Expect their demands to go nowhere, and expect more of the same in any/all other states where Trump appointees have the opportunity to pull this shit. Forget sending federal thugs into liberal cities; this is where the rubber meets the road this election cycle. If Trump’s robed toadies can repeat this in a few more swing states, he will be re-elected. And that is scary, not merely because we can’t survive another Trump administration, but because the kind of protests going on in Portland now will go on in every blue state metropolis, amplified by ten. It will break this country apart. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/2 "2020-07-23T01:42:03Z")
There are 1 million convicted felons in Florida? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/3 "2020-07-23T01:52:50Z")
More, over 1.5 million. Not quite all are disenfranchised. Fully one quarter of Florida’s Black people are disenfranchised, which is of course the point. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/4 "2020-07-23T04:22:09Z")
I read Justice Sotomayor’s dissent and the Slate article linked in the OP. The third link is generically to the Judicial Code of Conduct. Nothing is said in Justice Sotomayor’s dissent nor in the Slate article about what the “two judges appointed by President Donald Trump” allegedly did that violated the judicial Code of Conduct. Does the OP have any insight? Justice Sotomayor does criticize the 11th Circuit panel for failing to provide reasoning when vacating the lower court stay. But that panel did set a trial date for the appeal hearing so it is not clear that this is what was being referred to as a breach of the Code of Conduct. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/5 "2020-07-23T05:24:48Z")
Do these fines and court fees need to be paid in full, or can they be “in process”, like on a payment plan? Like if someone owed a thousand and had $200 taken from each current paycheck to pay for it? I’m guessing “no, the current payments don’t count” on the second part of that. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/6 "2020-07-23T06:20:41Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Do these fines and court fees need to be paid in full, or can they be “in process”, like on a payment plan? At least one report I read said that in many cases, nobody could figure out what the individual owed. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/7 "2020-07-23T11:11:06Z")
Didn’t they already do this to the Indians? Pass something that disqualified voters who lack an address and have only a PO Box, I think it was. Totally disenfranchised entire reservations of people from voting. Maybe it was just one state, but it still sounds pretty egregious to me. I don’t see how the guy can lose, he’s just getting started at rigging things, lots of time for more to come, it looks like. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/8 "2020-07-23T14:02:29Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I don’t see how the guy can lose, he’s just getting started at rigging things, lots of time for more to come, it looks like. They’ve been rigging things for years and years. It’s been worse at some times than at others, but I don’t think it’s ever stopped. And the way he can lose is for enough people who oppose him, and who aren’t prevented from voting, to show up and do so. The only way to reduce this sort of crap is for those who can vote to vote against it. (Yes, they already did, in Florida. They, and the rest of us, need to keep doing so; on multiple levels on our ballots.) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/9 "2020-08-08T15:17:33Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I don’t see how the guy can lose, he’s just getting started at rigging things, lots of time for more to come, it looks like. The 2020 Presidential election will be the most corrupt, cheat-filled election since the nineteenth century, and 99% of the cheating will be by Republicans. Trump and his goons will do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/10 "2020-08-08T16:10:11Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The 2020 Presidential election will be the most corrupt, cheat-filled election since the nineteenth century, and 99% of the cheating will be by Republicans. Trump and his goons will do anything. And if the recent past is anything to go by, they’ll do this cheating openly and proudly. Trump has made it clear that anyone who does ANYthing to help him get elected will get an automatic pardon. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/11 "2020-08-08T16:11:00Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I don’t see how the guy can lose, he’s just getting started at rigging things, lots of time for more to come, it looks like. Trump’s Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy, fired (or “reassigned”) [23 post office executives](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/511138-new-postmaster-general-overhauls-usps-leadership-amid-probe-into-mail) last night. The power grab is real and blatant. They aren’t even trying to hide it. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/12 "2020-08-08T21:17:28Z")
According to this opinion piece, the Orange Peril is setting the stage for potential violence following the election. I think it’s pretty clear that he is. November and its aftermath is going to be interesting to say the least. > **[ANALYSIS | The U.S. election might not be resolved on election night. Here's...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mail-ballots-u-s-election-1.5677465)** > > The United States is lumbering toward a perfect electoral storm that could test the foundations of a democracy already battered by partisan loathing. At the eye of this storm: mail-in ballots ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/13 "2020-08-08T22:09:58Z")
Didn’t he just can a slew of top people at the post office? Yesterday, day before maybe? He’s just getting started, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/14 "2020-08-09T06:17:07Z")
Dude…I responded to YOU just two (or three depending on how you want to count) posts above about this very thing. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/15 "2020-08-09T10:49:53Z")
Sorry I missed it somehow, my bad. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-election-watch-1-million-fl-voters-disenfranchised/916056/16 "2020-10-02T05:33:48Z")
> **[Florida Rights Restoration Coalition](https://floridarrc.com/)** > > FRRC is a grassroots, membership based organization run by returning citizens who led efforts in restoring voting rights in FL by passing Amendment 4. I donated to this fund, to help Florida felons who have served their sentences pay back all fines and have their voting eligibility restored. It’s the right thing to do, and I think it might be the most important contribution I can make to defeat Trump this fall (although I have certainly also contributed to Biden/Harris and to various Senate and House races). Florida counts all absentee ballots as they come in, and they close polls relatively early, so they will be done counting sometime on the night of Nov. 3, much earlier than other states (days or weeks earlier in some cases). If Trump loses Florida, he is completely checkmated and cannot use the so-called “blue shift” (an appearance Trump is ahead on Nov. 3, which changes over the next few days as other states count mail-in ballots). So even beyond the electoral votes themselves, a Biden win here is hugely important for the narrative.