# Stolen Valour: Another Scumbag **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 13, 2014, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531 "2014-11-13T15:38:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/1 "2014-11-13T15:38:55Z")
This asshole really needs to be taught a lesson. [http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2014/11/13/anger-grows-over-phoney-soldier-at-remembrance-day/](http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2014/11/13/anger-grows-over-phoney-soldier-at-remembrance-day/) After the events on Oct. 22, on the very site where a young man was executed for standing vigil over the cenotaph, this prick decides to dress up and has the gall to stand alongside real soldiers. Apparently he also got married in this costume!? Does his wife their families all believe this fucking liar? Ottawa Police should put this guy in a cell for his own protection, there are some very angry veterans looking for him. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/2 "2014-11-13T16:35:14Z")
They always fuck up the medals, that’s like, Imposter 101. Sunglasses too, I’m not sure how often it occurs with real soldiers in uniform, I doubt its often. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/3 "2014-11-13T17:10:01Z")
You know what’s worse than all the soldier worship we see nowadays? The reactions of people who were accidentally nice to someone who turns out not to be a soldier. “Stolen valour” - Jesus Christ. No one would get worked up if someone pretended to be a nurse, or something else useful. ---
**Author:** ![Bouncer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bouncer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bouncer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/4 "2014-11-13T17:11:30Z")
Not even angry, just feel a little sad for someone whose life is that… empty. Regards, -Bouncer- ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/5 "2014-11-13T17:16:50Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > They always fuck up the medals, that’s like, Imposter 101. Which seems odd and downright lazy to me. It’s not like you can’t spend 5 minutes on the internet and make sure your shit looks legit. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/6 "2014-11-13T17:33:55Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > You know what’s worse than all the soldier worship we see nowadays? The reactions of people who were accidentally nice to someone who turns out not to be a soldier. > > “Stolen valour” - Jesus Christ. No one would get worked up if someone pretended to be a nurse, or something else useful. You are a fucking moron. It’s not worship, it’s a day of remembrance and respect, especially for the 115 000 dead and 227 000 injured of the ~3 million Canadians who (mostly) volunteered to serve during WW1 and WW2 to preserve the UK in which you live today. You’re welcome, you ignorant twat. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/7 "2014-11-13T17:35:40Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Which seems odd and downright lazy to me. It’s not like you can’t spend 5 minutes on the internet and make sure your shit looks legit. There’s a guy I see from time to time in the halls of my university who wears a class B jacket bearing : Army sarge stripes on the sleeves, Air Force major insignia on the collar, plus what look like WW2-era jump wings and Civil War-era crossed sabers pins (though US armored cav divisions still use those I think ?) on the lapel. I often considered stopping him to ask whether he’s being deliberately ironic or what. Not all offended-like or anything, I just really wanna know what the fuck’s going on there :o. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/8 "2014-11-13T18:01:08Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > There’s a guy I see from time to time in the halls of my university who wears a class B jacket bearing : Army sarge stripes on the sleeves, Air Force major insignia on the collar, plus what look like WW2-era jump wings and Civil War-era crossed sabers pins (though US armored cav divisions still use those I think ?) on the lapel. > > I often considered stopping him to ask whether he’s being deliberately ironic or what. Not all offended-like or anything, I just really wanna know what the fuck’s going on there :o. Some people just like wearing military regalia. Some wear their military parent’s Army jacket or some such just because they like it, not because they’re being disrespectful. Navy pea coats were hugely popular in the 60s, but nobody got excited about it. Dressing in a full military uniform and pretending to be a veteran disrespects the memory of the dead and those who served, but it sounds like this guy is just being kitschy. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/9 "2014-11-13T18:11:01Z")
> [@Sparky812](#): > > You are a fucking moron. > > It’s not worship, it’s a day of remembrance and respect, especially for the 115 000 dead and 227 000 injured of the ~3 million Canadians who (mostly) volunteered to serve during WW1 and WW2 to preserve the UK in which you live today. Bullshit. This is complaining about a guy nobody could mistake for a dead veteran of a world war. The problem people have is that he pretended to be a currently serving soldier, and they accidentally gave him some adoration. > [@Sparky812](#): > > You’re welcome, you ignorant twat. What, were you there too? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/10 "2014-11-13T18:17:03Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > No one would get worked up if someone pretended to be a nurse, or something else useful. Pretty sure people would be upset with someone pretending to be a nurse also. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/11 "2014-11-13T18:23:22Z")
Yeah, I’d be annoyed if it came out that someone masqueraded as a nurse at an event meant to honor nurses’ work in some area just to get themselves some of that sweet sweet adoration. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/12 "2014-11-13T18:26:26Z")
Maybe so, but not to this level. The correct response to things like this is to roll your eyes and laugh at the person pretending to be a soldier, not start frothing at the mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/13 "2014-11-13T18:28:14Z")
I’m equally offended by people that loudly claim to be Irish just for the kisses. 🙂 So some loser likes the military enough to imagine himself a member and acts out that fantasy by dressing up. Big deal. The criminal issue (leaving aside the OP’s hordes of veterans gunning to assault this man) would be Article 419 of the Criminal Code which is under PART X FRAUDULENT TRANSACTIONS RELATING TO CONTRACTS AND TRADE. I honestly don’t even know why this is a problem unless the man is specifically using a military identify to defraud someone. I don’t think anyone can argue he’s getting any benefits from this. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/14 "2014-11-13T18:40:42Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > I’m equally offended by people that loudly claim to be Irish just for the kisses. 🙂 > > So some loser likes the military enough to imagine himself a member and acts out that fantasy by dressing up. Big deal. > > The criminal issue (leaving aside the OP’s hordes of veterans gunning to assault this man) would be Article 419 of the Criminal Code which is under PART X FRAUDULENT TRANSACTIONS RELATING TO CONTRACTS AND TRADE. I honestly don’t even know why this is a problem unless the man is specifically using a military identify to defraud someone. I don’t think anyone can argue he’s getting any benefits from this. > [@Canada Criminal Code](#): > > **419.** Every one who without lawful authority, the proof of which lies on him, > > [ul] > li wears a uniform of the Canadian Forces or any other naval, army or air force or a uniform that is so similar to the uniform of any of those forces that it is likely to be mistaken therefor,[/li]li wears a distinctive mark relating to wounds received or service performed in war, or a military medal, ribbon, badge, chevron or any decoration or order that is awarded for war services, or any imitation thereof, or any mark or device or thing that is likely to be mistaken for any such mark, medal, ribbon, badge, chevron, decoration or order,[/li]li has in his possession a certificate of discharge, certificate of release, statement of service or identity card from the Canadian Forces or any other naval, army or air force that has not been issued to and does not belong to him, or[/li]li has in his possession a commission or warrant or a certificate of discharge, certificate of release, statement of service or identity card, issued to an officer or a person in or who has been in the Canadian Forces or any other naval, army or air force, that contains any alteration that is not verified by the initials of the officer who issued it, or by the initials of an officer thereto lawfully authorized,[/li][/ul] > is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction. > > [ul] > [li]R.S., c. C-34, s. 377.[/li][/ul] Nothing there about benefiting. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/15 "2014-11-13T18:45:17Z")
Stolen velour, on the other hand, is fantastic. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/16 "2014-11-13T18:53:55Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Stolen velour, on the other hand, is fantastic. It rubs me the wrong way. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/17 "2014-11-13T18:58:47Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > Nothing there about benefiting. That was my statement w.r.t section 419. I question how it can be considered a fraudulent act, without the perpetrator gaining some benefit. Fraud in Canada is defined by section 380 > [@](#): > > 1. (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/18 "2014-11-13T19:06:21Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/19 "2014-11-13T21:05:43Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Maybe so, but not to this level. The correct response to things like this is to roll your eyes and laugh at the person pretending to be a soldier, not start frothing at the mouth. I think Sparky812 should have rolled his eyes at you. Calling you a fucking moron was just that special little extra. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531/20 "2014-11-13T21:14:12Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Bullshit. This is complaining about a guy nobody could mistake for a dead veteran of a world war. The problem people have is that he pretended to be a currently serving soldier, and they accidentally gave him some adoration. Oooooo you’re all edgy and shit. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stolen-valour-another-scumbag/704531.md?page=2)