# Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech

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**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [June 6, 2021, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702 "2021-06-06T12:07:15Z")\
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**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/101 "2021-06-10T06:35:20Z")

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That puts you way ahead of Stonewall et al, as they don’t think there is any room for debate at all.

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**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\
**Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/102 "2021-06-11T03:22:10Z")

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> [@DemonTree](#):
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> UK history is full of compromises; that’s why we never had a revolution, and still have a monarch.

? [“Never had a revolution”?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Revolution) And it’s not as though the history of the British monarchy has been merely a long series of peaceful compromises, as the ghost of Charles I would attest.

However, that’s a side issue. The more relevant matter that I’m puzzled about is this:

> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#):
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> > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> > Okay, but you’ve (and Demontree’s) offered zero specific cases in which they’re criticizing someone inappropriately
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> As I say, it is my opinion and impression from Stonewall recently (I’m in the UK and they pass through my sphere on a regular enough basis) that they are indeed moving towards the position that the article author suggests.  
> That is my impression without a hard cite to back it up and it is open to change.

This thread appears to have gone on for over a hundred posts so far without anyone producing a “hard cite” of an actual specific instance of what they think Stonewall is doing wrong. Can’t anyone link to a specific statement by Stonewall in a position paper, or an op-ed, or a court case, or something, that you consider a concrete example of their vaguely alleged “self-righteous, dismissive, uncompromising attitude” on this issue?

'Cuz I don’t see why we should bother arguing if we don’t have any definite evidence of what it is we’re arguing about.

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