# Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech

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**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [June 6, 2021, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702 "2021-06-06T12:07:15Z")\
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**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/59 "2021-06-07T14:34:05Z")

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> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> Okay, but you’ve (and Demontree’s) offered zero specific cases in which they’re criticizing someone inappropriately

As I say, it is my opinion and impression from Stonewall recently (I’m in the UK and they pass through my sphere on a regular enough basis) that they are indeed moving towards the position that the article author suggests.  
That is my impression without a hard cite to back it up and it is open to change.

> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> Of course it’s appropriate to call someone bigoted when they’re being bigoted–do you agree?

I do agree in general, the problem is when you get to define “bigotry” in your own way as “that which isn’t in perfect agreement with us”. regardless of any reasonable argument that may sit behind such a position.

It is a no true Scotsman scenario.

“we won’t engage with bigots”  
\*\*\*“OK, lets hear your proposals”  
“here are our proposals”  
\*\*\*“I have some reservations about your proposals”  
“Only a bigot would refuse to agree with us fully”  
\*\*\*“But I disagree with some aspects of your proposals and I’m not a bigot”  
“bigot! we will not engage with your hate speech”

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