# Stop being so civil! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 28, 2005, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087 "2005-01-28T11:13:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Carnick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carnick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnick)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/1 "2005-01-28T11:13:09Z")
I’ve been following [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=298696) for a few days. It was all going surprisingly well until the OP said [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5761433&postcount=78). She not only marks homosexuality as a sin, but compares it to drug dealing and child abuse in one fell swoop. After reading this, I fully expected the OP to be run out on a rail. Yet much to my disapointment, I see the majority of Dopers praising her for her unique viewpoint and begging her not to leave. When was “it’s my religion” a valid excuse at the SDMB? The OP isn’t even an Arab Muslim, she’s just some girl in her early 20’s who decided to “revert” to a belief system that supports intolerance. Has this PC hogwash stuff gone so overboard that certain minorities are allowed to be bigots now? Come on Dopers, you’re asleep at the helm. I know the OP is in GD, but I expect more (less?) from the legion of ignorance fighters. Stop being so level headed and break out the goddamn flame throwers already. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/2 "2005-01-28T11:14:40Z")
Feel free to pit her if you wish. The rest of us are interested enough in what she has to say to let that bit slide for now. I’d also like to note that some posters did take her to task over that. By the way, why are you trusting others to handle the flame throwers? Don’t you have one of your own? ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/3 "2005-01-28T11:47:18Z")
She is just another example that close-minded religious zealots are all alike, whether they are Muslim, Christian or any other denomination. I am really starting to feel that religion should be forbidden in an enlightened society. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/4 "2005-01-28T11:56:21Z")
If it is no inconvenience to you would please kindly fuck off. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/5 "2005-01-28T12:05:12Z")
> [@Carnick](#): > > Has this PC hogwash stuff gone so overboard that certain minorities are allowed to be bigots now? I don’t think it’s PC. It’s an intellectual immaturity, born of an almost zealous hatred of anything Christian. Sort of an enemy-of-my-enemy thing. In fact, I would wager that this post — questioning the intellectual honesty of the suck-ups in that thread — will garner far more hysterical drive-bys and retorts than the post you cited that compares gays to drug dealers and child abusers. Further, I believe that a Christian fundamentalist _posting the exact same thing_ would already have been pitted here and run out on a rail. ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/6 "2005-01-28T12:07:39Z")
I have read some more of the thread and I would like to add some insults. What a stupid, judgemental, ignorant piece of manure !!! I cannot believe somebody would willingly convert in this way. I agree with a lot of Muslems on a lot of subjects, but most I know would condemn the stoning of women, the use of burqa’s and the lower value of a woman over a man. This has got to be one sad, sick little puppy. I don’t know what terrible things have happened to her, but I really feel she needs to be committed. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/7 "2005-01-28T12:57:17Z")
I figured it was because she was new and we haven’t had too many Muslim posters, at least not to my knowledge. However, I get the feeling she’s either pulling our legs, or just a moron. The whole “Oh, I would wear an Afghan burqa if I didn’t get harassed”, blah blah blah. And a lot of her answers aren’t very clear-she’s too vague, or she simply posts with a bunch of terms someone unfamiliar with Islam wouldn’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/8 "2005-01-28T13:05:54Z")
What do you expect? It’s GD. Threaten to so much as tack a kitten to a door up there, and the mods get all huffy. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/9 "2005-01-28T13:09:00Z")
> [@Carnick](#): > > Come on Dopers, you’re asleep at the helm. I know the OP is in GD, but I expect more (less?) from the legion of ignorance fighters. Stop being so level headed and break out the goddamn flame throwers already. But exactly. It’s in GD. Which is not the place for flamethrowers. And it seems to me people there are doing just what people in GD should do…calling her on some of her more dubious statments rationally. I also note that Eve certainly seemed to be hoping to see it moved to the Pit the better to take on her particuarly bigoted and obnoxious remark. Finally I would note that (unless Guinstasia is right, which is quite possible) she seems like a remarkably sheltered and naive girl (she’s only met ONE Jew in her life!?!) who might bennfit from the SDMB community and is hardly worthy of the full force of the SDMB 1920’s style flamthrowers. No I wouldn’t consider this some prejudice that some people (Christains) get attacked for their bigoted ideas and other people (Muslims) get a pass. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![Abbie\_Carmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/10 "2005-01-28T13:12:46Z")
> [@vinryk](#): > > I am really starting to feel that religion should be forbidden in an enlightened society. Sounds like an interesting way to preserve freedom. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/11 "2005-01-28T13:19:52Z")
Oh yeah, I would also mention folks seem to be taking advatage of GD not only to learn about Islam and how she thinks but to ask some very pointed (even if civil) questions about the prejudies and dubious ideas that she may accept as part of her religion. Which is a Good Thing. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/12 "2005-01-28T13:23:29Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > What do you expect? It’s GD. Threaten to so much as tack a kitten to a door up there, and the mods get all huffy. :eek: Brutus tacks kittens to doors!!! Brutus tackes kittens to doors!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! That’s just horrible Brutus. The only bad the \*I \* would ever do to a kitten is masturbate. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/13 "2005-01-28T13:24:44Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > That’s just horrible Brutus. The only bad the \*I \* would ever do to a kitten is masturbate. While I certainly know what you mean, you do realize how bad that sounds, right? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/14 "2005-01-28T13:26:00Z")
Any one who thinks “sinners” should not have full and equal rights under the law should be thrown in jail immediately, pending trial at some point in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/15 "2005-01-28T13:32:02Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > :eek: Brutus tacks kittens to doors!!! Brutus tackes kittens to doors!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! > > That’s just horrible Brutus. The only bad the \*I \* would ever do to a kitten is masturbate. I really hope you mean that in the conventional sense and not the way that it came out. ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/16 "2005-01-28T13:39:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Any one who thinks “sinners” should not have full and equal rights under the law should be thrown in jail immediately, pending trial at some point in the future. No, we should lock them up without legal presentation or stone them and… 😕 Uuuh, nevermind. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/17 "2005-01-28T13:57:48Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > What do you expect? It’s GD. Threaten to so much as tack a kitten to a door up there, and the mods get all huffy. Threaten to tack up a kitten in the Pit, and I’ll get all huffy, too. I LIKE kittens. No, not to eat, either. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/18 "2005-01-28T14:03:55Z")
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > Threaten to tack up a kitten in the Pit, and I’ll get all huffy, too. I LIKE kittens. No, not to eat, either. Hey, I like kittens too! Have you ever tried tacking a ferret to door? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/19 "2005-01-28T14:06:54Z")
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > I LIKE kittens. No, not to eat, either. I agree. Not enough meat on them. [sub]I kid, I kid! Although if Maggie doesn’t stop using me as a scratching post while I sleep…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/20 "2005-01-28T14:15:28Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Hey, I like kittens too! Have you ever tried tacking a ferret to door? No, but I’ve been tacked to a door by a pair of ferrets. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087.md?page=2)