# Stop being so civil! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 28, 2005, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087 "2005-01-28T11:13:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/41 "2005-01-28T15:02:28Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > The reason that folks are cutting her slack is one we haven’t the guts to fucking admit, even to ourselves. > > We feel guilty. > > Our troops have killed _thousands_ of her fellow Muslims in Iraq, \*for \*_no \*\* good reason **at all**!_ I dunno. I didn’t go around being especially nice to Christians when we bombed Serbia. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/42 "2005-01-28T15:03:59Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > You’re a mean-spirited bigot and a genuinely hateful example of the smug Christian asshole who revels in his societally superior status; we know that. Pitting you would be pointless in the “teaching a pig to sing” sort of way. Tisk, tisk, tisk. I thought liberals were supposed to be open-minded and tolerant? > [@gobear](#): > > And if there were some sort of persecution of the kind that **Crafter\_Man** and his ilk like to pretend exists When did I say I was being persecuted? > [@betenoir](#): > > Seems to me Carnick was specifically pitting her suggestion that because she finds homosexuality was sinful therefore homosexuals do not deserve equal rights. Sure, they deserve equal rights under the law. But they do not deserve special rights. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/43 "2005-01-28T15:04:48Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Our troops have killed thousands of her fellow Muslims in Iraq, for no good reason at all! > > We had a poster, Aldeberan , who objected to this horrible crime, & we banned him. > > So, we’re putting up with this twerp to salve our collective feelings. > > And it’s crap. > > Aldeberan was worth 10 of her. > > That’s my feelings on the matter. My troops aren’t killing anyone in Iraq. **Alde’s** signal to noise ration was so low you had to dig to find the fuckin thing. But maybe you’re right, maybe **Aldebaran** was worth two of her. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/44 "2005-01-28T15:05:50Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > I mean, that was a hell of a thing to do with papers they’d worked for months to prepare! Yeah, really tacky. **Bosda** , while I agree that **Aldebaran** was worth ten of her, I disagree that the US has killed her fellow Muslims, any more than the Inquisition killed Starhawk’s fellow witches. She appears to be part of a nasty cult masquerading as Muslim, appears to share very little in common with the civilian victims of the US invasion. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/45 "2005-01-28T15:08:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Sure, they deserve equal rights under the law. But they do not deserve special rights. And what special rights might that be? The right not to be ridiculed, abused and to create a legal bond with the love of your life. Ilk, indeed. :wally ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/46 "2005-01-28T15:10:42Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Tisk, tisk, tisk. I thought liberals were supposed to be open-minded and tolerant? A. Where on earth did you get the idea that I’m a liberal? B. “Open-minded and tolerant” means allowing everyone to have their say freely, not that one must approve of what is said. I totally support your right to freedom of expression, while at the same time noting that what you say is stupid and bigoted. > [@](#): > > When did I say I was being persecuted? Hmm, I don’t know if you have, but your sort (i.e. brainless fundies) certainly makes that claim in ther tracts and their _amicus_ briefs against equal rights for gay people. > [@](#): > > Sure, they deserve equal rights under the law. But they do not deserve special rights. We don’t want any “special rights”, just the same ones you enjoy. So can I mark you down as being for marriage rights for gay people? ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/47 "2005-01-28T15:12:08Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > It’s an intellectual immaturity, born of an almost zealous hatred of anything Christian. This is, well, bullshit. I read that thread, and tried really hard to find a “legal” way of telling her what I really thought about her. Impossible, I decided. I’d get myself banned. Perhaps some of us bother to debate other theists we encounter here because, despite it all, we don’t find them beneath contempt. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/48 "2005-01-28T15:12:11Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Cut the crap, you stupid shitheads. > > The reason that folks are cutting her slack is one we haven’t the guts to fucking admit, even to ourselves. > > We feel guilty. > > Our troops have killed _thousands_ of her fellow Muslims in Iraq, \*for \*_no \*\* good reason **at all**!_ > > We had a poster, **Aldeberan** , who objected to this horrible crime, & we banned him. > > So, we’re putting up with this twerp to salve our collective feelings. > > And it’s crap. > > **Aldeberan** was worth 10 of her. > > That’s my feelings on the matter. Does EVERY fucking thread need to involve Iraq? Is Aldebaran some sort of fucking martyr the man posted blatantly anti-semetic lies from his ‘files’. A board fighting ignorance does not have a place for someone with made up bigotted quotes in their files. This is exactly what Liberal is talking about he got a pass for his lies and beligerant behavior becuase he offered a ‘unique’ viewpoint. The man is a bigot and this board is better off without him. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/49 "2005-01-28T15:17:12Z")
We’re sorely lacking fundamentalist muslims, on this board. So I wouldn’t want to scare her away before she could answer posters’ questions, if she were genuine. However, I’m not really convinced she’s genuine. And that’s another reason why I do not intend to attack her comments. I wouldn’t want to feed the…thread. And by the way…Aldebaran got banned??? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/50 "2005-01-28T15:18:29Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Cut the crap, you stupid shitheads. > > The reason that folks are cutting her slack is one we haven’t the guts to fucking admit, even to ourselves. > > We feel guilty. > > Our troops have killed _thousands_ of her fellow Muslims in Iraq, \*for \*_no \*\* good reason **at all**!_ > > We had a poster, **Aldeberan** , who objected to this horrible crime, & we banned him. > > So, we’re putting up with this twerp to salve our collective feelings. > > And it’s crap. > > **Aldeberan** was worth 10 of her. > > That’s my feelings on the matter. She’s following the rules, something **Aldebaran** , sadly, failed to do. ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/51 "2005-01-28T15:19:26Z")
> [@](#): > > The man is a bigot and this board is better off without him. Then why on earth, isn’t **Sarah W** banned? I think she is much more dangerous than **Aldebaran** ever was. I thought he actually had some good points, and didn’t agree with his banning at all. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/52 "2005-01-28T15:22:27Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Sure, they deserve equal rights under the law. But they do not deserve special rights. Who the hell said they did, fucktard? ---
**Author:** ![SlyFrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SlyFrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlyFrog)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/53 "2005-01-28T15:23:55Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > We’re sorely lacking fundamentalist muslims, on this board. So I wouldn’t want to scare her away before she could answer posters’ questions, if she were genuine. “Sorely lacking fundamentalist muslims”? Are we short on 88ers too? Perhaps we could throw up a big broad welcome to all groups of hate filled murderers, so long as they are not white men or christians. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/54 "2005-01-28T15:28:28Z")
Not true, we’ve tarred and feathered some bigoted white women too. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/55 "2005-01-28T15:34:33Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > And by the way…Aldebaran got banned??? Read [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294554). ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/56 "2005-01-28T15:42:20Z")
I wonder what **Aldebaran** would have had to say to her. I suspect it would have been less than kind. ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/57 "2005-01-28T15:43:15Z")
As a (fairly) devout Muslim myself, I actually winced when I read some of her posts. I honestly don’t know if she’s for real, or if she’s just a disillusioned kid who turned to an extreme branch of the faith in her search for anwers. Maybe the whole thing is a hoax, maybe not, but please let it be duly notred for the record that I don’t share many of her views. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/58 "2005-01-28T15:46:20Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > your sort (i.e. brainless fundies) certainly makes that claim in ther tracts and their _amicus_ briefs against equal rights for gay people. My _ilk_? And now I’m brainless? And I’m brainless – _why_? Because I don’t agree with your opinions? > [@gobear](#): > > We don’t want any “special rights”, just the same ones you enjoy. So can I mark you down as being for marriage rights for gay people? Sure, I couldn’t care less if gays get married. And while we’re on the subject, I don’t think the government should issue marriage licenses. The government should have nothing to do with marriage. [QUOTE=vinryk] ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/59 "2005-01-28T15:48:04Z")
> [@Bibliovore](#): > > As a (fairly) devout Muslim myself, I actually winced when I read some of her posts. I honestly don’t know if she’s for real, or if she’s just a disillusioned kid who turned to an extreme branch of the faith in her search for anwers. Maybe the whole thing is a hoax, maybe not, but please let it be duly notred for the record that I don’t share many of her views. Heh. I do this little “yessss!” fist-pump whenever some tweaker comes on and they’re **not** an atheist, or a Democrat, or a gamer, or whatever. I understand, and sympathize. But I think she’s for real: she knows too much about Islam to be fakin it, I think. If she’s a hoax, she’s one of the more brilliant hoaxes I’ve seen. Looks far more like the disillusioned kid you talked about who’s been sucked into a nasty cult. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087/60 "2005-01-28T15:55:33Z")
Then it’s a shame. All my life I’ve grown up around successful, educated, confident and moderate Muslim women (my fiancee included), but it’s people like **Sarah W** who end up posting here and inviting everyone to examine her extreme views. :rolleyes: I’m glad she converted, but I really hope she starts hanging around with less scary people and finds her way to a happier, warmer version of Islam. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-being-so-civil/287087.md?page=4)