Why don’t you prove that they’re not, gum? Where are your statistics? I want you to prove to me that all Muslims are homophobic, mysoginistic, America-hating, wicked, evil, bad, bad people. I don’t want one or two incidents, here but actual proof that the vast majority of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world hate God and women and gay people and everything else. Until you can prove it, I’m going to assume that this is bullshit and that you’re a bigoted asshole.
Hamlet has already given you a nice little list of non-Muslim terrorist groups. I’d just like to add to it a little bit, if I may: Aum Shinrikyo, Communist Party of the Philippines, Dev Sol, Kach (and Kahane Chai), 17 November, Shining Path… I’m sure they’d all be very surprised to hear that they’re Muslim organizations. Your own cite doesn’t even say that all terrorists are Muslims - it says that the majority of terrorists are Muslim. The cite itself is little better than an editorial exhorting moderate and liberal Muslims to distance themselves from extremists. It offers no statistics and proves only that ordinary Muslims have a real problem with what extremists do in the name of Allah.
Like Hamlet said - Cite? And while you’re at it, I’d like to see the poverty statistics of Muslims as compared to non-Muslims, and how many Muslims live in urban areas as compared to non-Muslims. Crime has a lot of causes, gum. Religion is not usually one of those causes.
You’ve made a lot of extraordinary claims here, gum. Unless you want to look like an extraordinary jackass, maybe you should try backing those claims up for a change.
I turn my back for one minute, and all hell breaks loose, and now invisible homeless folks just croppin’ up everywhichawhere causin’ mischief that they can’t defend themselves against since they imaginary. Now, I really try to be patient with folks and give them the benefit of the doubt and stuff, but when folks get to tryin’ to give a homeless fella a bad name and insult a rational thinkin’ person’s intelligence, then I must say the line has been crossed.
SarahW, you ought to be ashamed of yourself! :mad: Do you really think these folks on this board goin’ to buy that lame excuse about a homeless man? Really, child. Why would a homeless man want to impersonate any Muslim woman on a message board for over a week? I’d think that he’d be more concerned with keeping warm and finding food, or dodging the library security guard that the librarians will no doubt set on them to make them vacate the premises. And since folks can initially register as guests for a limited amount of time, the homeless fella had no excuse not to come up with his own name. Why’s he got to hide since he ain’t got no home, no ISP, and no computer for the Mods to track him down?
You said earlier that you’ve learned something from your brief time here, but you haven’t shared what it was, and I begin to suspect you haven’t learned a thing, which is a shame. Nor have you addressed the concerns folks have raised here about your loss of credibility. This is not the way that responsible adults comport themselves. Now get in here and confess so that folks will stop making fun of you and runnin’ rampant with all these invisible nameless homeless male scapegoats that are fixin’ to stampede at any moment. [giggle]
Hey slanderers of the banned, having a great time? He can’t defend himself against your fucking lies huh?
Aldebaran is banned because of what Bosda said. The lies in that banning thread add to the shame of this message board.
What’s got him banned is the American jingoism of membership and mods. The fucking double standards in moderating. The fucking posse that trashed him from the start. Crazy Mehitabel with her fucking obsession and the support of the admins she got with that.
You wanna know what’s in my mailbox? A mod’s mail to warn me that I can’t talk about Aldebaran again. Hey, I don’t take that SDMB Patriot Act. Eat your your double standards raw with a sauce of your bloody censorship.
Fucking bigots can trash him with the repetition of your lies huh? Here I am to trash you for it. Ask and you will receive.
It would be better if admins and mods came out of the dark and talk about it. I’ve got mails enough of members who saw what they’ve done. Tell you what, blind moles. There’s a shared feeling that this board spirals downwards thanks to its double standards in moderating.
Here’s my feeling about it: You’re so trapped in American jingoism that you’re no different anymore then anywhere else on American message boards. I used to love this board. You’re not lovable now.
Belgian speaking here. For me and all I talk to America is doomed to go down by its own jingoism and its reckless refusal to learn from the past.
You wanna Fight Ignorance here? Such ambitious goal.
You’ve just banned your first and only Middle Eastern Islamic Scholar, and that’s much more then a simple American Phd. He wasn’t all that pleased with what Americans did in his region and to his friends huh? He slammed the truth of America’s wars and what it did to him in your faces huh? That’s what did it for you, isn’t it.
Heartfelt congratulations for your firm stand on this. Killing of the messengers of truth is the best to fight ignorance. Last week he said he sent you mail to ask for deletion of all his posts. Hey, that’s not unreasonable of him to ask for. You delete all posts of trolls. What’s holding you back then? That there are more then 3200 trolling posts of Aldebaran? That’s no reason, a troll is a troll is a troll. No double standards 'bout that. Wipe him out, I say.
I’ll tell you a secret, moles. It’s nice to see a website that tells its members it’s to fight ignorance. More credit to you if the admins and mods would be our example. Let us know when you’ve seen the light. I hope it’s not so far away as I think it is.
No, what got Aldebaran banned was a series of direct attacks on other posters and specific lies posted for the purpose of angering people. This is the same reason that several other well-known (and much argued over) posters have been banned.
I was not a Mod when the decisions (and warnings) leading to his banning were discussed, so I have no “inside” information, but from the perspective of a long-time poster, I would say that he earned his banning the old-fashioned way, he worked for it.
Now, as to the charge that it is simply bias against either Islam or MENA: nonsense. To that claim, I will respond with the same observation that I have made regarding the bitter feuds (and purported staff biases) when the American Left and Right attack each other or the theists and non-theists attack each other and everyone cries that the staff is “favoring” their opponents: when watching an ox fight, it depends on whose ox is being gored.
For all the claims that attacks on Islam are allowed, I have seen a lot of (pointless) complaining that Aldebaran was allowed to break the rules longer than any “American” or “Christian” or “Western” poster would have been permitted. There are quite a few posters who have claimed that Aldebaran would have been banned months earlier had he not been a Middle Eastern Muslim. (I think the earliest claims that he should have been banned (or that he would be banned) began in early July, 2003, just a couple of weeks after his first posts.) It is always easier to see the insults directed at one’s own side than the insults that are directed at one’s opponents (or at some third party for whom one does not have any emotional attachment). Certainly, if someone wanted to invest the energy to examine the entire history of the SDMB, one would probably find that more snarky comments were allowed against religion or atheism or against Islam or Christianity or secularism or against “liberal” or “conservative” values. The odds that every snide remark has been met with perfectly equal responses is probably rather low. However, as long as all sides are screaming that they are unjustly abused, I figure that probably everyone is getting more or less equal treatment.
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Actually, you are entirely wrong on this subject. The policy has long been to delete the threads begun by trolls if they are caught soon enough that they have not generated any serious discussions. Long-time posters who have been banned for falling into a later habit of trolling do not have their threads deleted (and certainly not their individual posts), the absence of which would tear the flow out of many discussions, rendering other posts meaningless. You can, today, still find the posts and threads of John John, Phaedrus, Mark Serlin (and even his sockpuppet Sentinel), peace and a host of others. (Besides, I believe Aldebaran was banned for being a jerk, not for being a troll, although I could be wrong on that technical point.)
