FWIW, I doubt too many people think she’s representative. Angua’s been doing a pretty great job; I wonder if she’d consider starting a thread called “Ask the sane Muslim Woman”?
Daniel
Heh. I’ve met Angua several times, and while she’s an utterly lovely lady, no-one can accuse her of being entirely sane. 
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I’m not getting the feeling of an elaborate whoosh, but of a person who has been taken in by a cult based on an extremist Muslim sect. Much of what she posts sounds sheltered and misogynistic. The bits about separating from her family and adopting the family of her house of worship, the now-dissolved group marriage, and the earnest belief without detailed knowledge also screams “Cult Member” to me.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t there a type of temporary marriage in Islam?
She basically doesn’t sound too different from a new convert to some extreme fundie Christian church-who got “saved” at a new church by all her friends.
I agree, she’s a nutter, but I’m still interested in what she has to say, if only for the “oh my GOD!” factor!
One article on temporary marriage in Islam. I fear if I tried to summarize it I would get it wrong, so please read the link.
Yeah but it was was about equal rights that Eve asked Susan, and it was equal rights that Susan confirmed they were not entitled to. And of course that was what I was repondind to. This “special rights” is something you pulled entirely out of your ass. All the more so because homosexuals havve never asked for specia rights.
Clear enough?
Sure. As long as we both agree homosexuals should never request special treatment under the law (e.g. demanding a convicted perpetrator be given a tougher sentence under “hate crime legislation”), then we’re on the same page.
Mut`ah, which is a marriage contracted for a fixed period of time. It was originally allowed for all Muslims, and was mainly used to give menfolk who were off at war a release, while still ensuring that the women they temporarily took up with wouldn’t be exploited (as much). Sunnis universally believe that its permissibility was abrogated, and that it is no longer permissible under any circumstances, whilst many Shi’ites still allow it and continue to use it.
The link that was posted by The Devil’s Grandmother is from a Twelver Shi’ite site, and so it will give the current regulations for those groups that still practice it.
Except, of course, that homosexuals are not the only group protected by hate crime legislation. Which. once again, moves it from “special rights” to “equal rights,” which, once again, is the only thing anyone in the gay rights movement is asking for.
Having finally read the whole thing, I don’t get the feeling she’s being cut that much slack, to begin with, and the slack she has been cut is a result of her clearly being a naïf. (Note that she did not storm into anyone else’s thread, condemning them for violating Muslim tenets, as has frequently been the opening salvo of some of the Fundamentalist Christians who have been savaged.) The way that she handled those questions clearly indicated that she was way over her head and I suspect that some folks were just not that eager to go ripping out her guts. Now that she has demonstrated that she is, indeed, a member of one of the more “fundamentalist” groups and is perfectly willing to spout off the “party line” with the typical enthusiasm of the undereducated new convert, people are going after her more harshly.
Was there some initial “holding back” based on her professed religion? Proabably some. On the other hand, it seemed to me more a matter of “wait until she really puts her foot in it” rather than any deference toward non-Christian religions.
So, let me get this straight: fighting ignorance just won’t work if we’re level-headed, calm and rational? The only way to do it is by being a bunch of obnoxious asses? Gee, I’ll bet you’re a hoot at parties, Carnick.
And we all know that atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, and Frisbeeterians never say any “stupid shit” (of course, you just killed that assumption with your ridiculous generality).
Believe it or not, gobear, there are some fine, intelligent, Christians who have never handed out tracts, who have no problem with gay marriage, and who really couldn’t care less about SpongeBob Squarepants. Most of those Christians seem to be a lot more tolerant of bigoted idiots than the bigoted idiots are of them.
Let’s say a bad guy assaults me, and he ends up getting 3 years in prison. And let’s say a bad guy assaults a homosexual (while screaming “I hate gays” while doing it), and he gets 5 years in prison. I am protected from this guy for 3 years, and the homosexual is protected from this guy for 5 years. That’s equal protection under the law? 
As someone who was trying to do a lot of the holding back I’ll give my thoughts.
She sounds like someone who has been taught by very bad ‘Muslims’, and she seems to repeat much of what they say. We don’t yet know if she is incapable of looking at what she is saying here and realising how evil and obnoxious it is. I would rather she tries that than having her run off the ranch straight away. The reasons I give her the benifit of doubt is that she is a recent convert and so probably has had little time for self analysis of what she has learnt, and that she seems to be isolated within a tight community of extremists so unlikely to hear decenting views, and that though her views are odnoxious she has been polite in communication and has not shown hostility others for their differing views.
I agree with you on that. Hate crime laws are a ridiculous overweighting of the victim’s status. I don’t if you kill me because I’m gay or you just weanted my wallet–I’m just as dead either way.
So what? In my state, the rational Christians (if they exist) are silent as the fundie
Christians get bills passed that enact legal discrimination against gay people.
Originally posted by gobear
. Correct. Unless they act upon it, right?
And I agree with SlyFrog
I’m really not all that thrilled to have posters condoning people getting stoned to death. But hey. That’s just me. The atheïst.
Yes, because Lord knows, there are no while male Christians around here already. Damned if I ever heard one of them articulate his point of view.
And if a black guy is attacked by someone screaming “I hate black people,” he gets a longer sentence. And if a Jew is attack by someone screaming “I hate Jews,” he gets a longer sentence. And if you got attacked by a guy screaming “I hate white people,” or “I hate Christians,” I suspect he would also get a longer sentence, although I confess that I’m not certain about that. Even if that’s not the case, it’s not an example of gays asking for special rights, but of whites/Christians being denied equal protection. Which is wrong, but that’s not what you’re complaining about.
Mind you, I’m not actually in favor of hate crime legislation. But to call them “special rights for gays” is flat-out wrong.
Quite so. I have no problem with being told I’m going to Hell, but I would take exception to someone taking it upon himself to help send me there.
He definitely would–and I remember reading that at least early attempts at race-hate-crimes legislation were activated more often when white folks were the victims than when nonwhite folks were the victims.
Daniel
So many times, when I read your posts, I honestly don’t understand why you and I don’t get along. It must be I. I’m putting myself on notice: stop and think before responding to Gobear, and don’t assume that he’s picking a fight. I’m proud to be associated with you, young man, as a member at SDMB.