# Stop claiming it was a joke, you piece of crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075 "2018-05-29T17:50:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/341 "2018-06-01T05:29:30Z")
Plus there is the fact that f-bombs are not going to get somebody killed/oppressed. Samantha Bee apologized. Is she a decent person now? It is not for me to say, but I would point out that Her speech was also unlikely to get anybody killed. She was actually advocating for mercy in her perverse way. Still, Angela Merkel does not resort to such tactics. Vladimir Putin is widely considered a villain, but he doesn’t go about his villainy in this way either AFAIK. I can be pretty rude myself. Sorry, but my father is literally a drunken sailor. Racist too, but somehow I didn’t turn out racist. I credit reading a lot for that success. YMMV, but I suspect the variance can be credited to “not reading a lot.” ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/342 "2018-06-01T07:29:04Z")
> [@Boacrow](#): > > First, I’m not sure how you glossed over the ‘goddamns’ that came right after the ‘and’ at the end of fuck. The God part of that word is typically taken as the lords name in most of Christianity. Sorry you didn’t know that but hopefully now you do. I didn’t mention god damn because that is indeed covered by the third commandment. If you had stopped there I wouldn’t have mentioned it at all. But a short word for a wonderful act, created by god according to you no doubt, isn’t covered. > [@](#): > > As far as telling the racists that I find their speech offensive, I don’t find it offensive. I don’t look at it that way. They have their opinion and telling them I don’t like it won’t change it. It also won’t change my views just from hearing it. What it does do is let me know right away whether I want to socialize with them or not. I am not responsible for them or their views, therefore it’s not my place to worry about it. I’m responsible for me and me alone. I’ll just assume for the moment that your lack of offense does not stem from agreement. But racists in their echo chambers probably think that everyone (except SJW liberals ) do agree with them. Saying you are offended in no one says that they can’t believe what they believe, it just informs them of its affect on others. And if you say nothing, they probably think you agree with them. As for being responsible for your self alone, the line “am I my brother’s keeper” is not a guideline for behavior. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. > [@](#): > > Would I get offended if someone called my sister a whore? No. Not unless their words suddenly transformed her into one. The fact is that people say things to hurt people all the time. When people say things to hurt people, they do it because it’s the only tool they have to try and make people feel bad. If the people do feel bad afterwards it’s because they gave those words power. You can say the word whore in church without offending anyone, but if you direct the word at someone, suddenly things change. It’s not the word. It’s spelled the same, said the same, so what is it? It’s the perception of the word. If you perceive it as being hurtful it will be. Again, no response from you can be construed as agreement. Bullies, like someone who would say this, thrive on lack of response by their victims. And bearing false witness is definitely forbidden by the ten commandments. How can you object to god damn while not objecting to such a statement? > [@](#): > > Go ahead, call my sister a whore. I really don’t care. She won’t change in the least. Calling her a whore certainly won’t make her one, but you can try anyway. I would certainly not do it, but then I’m an atheist, so my morals are better than most Christians apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/343 "2018-06-01T07:52:39Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > In other words, our effective freedom to say words like “fuck” and “shit” and “goddamned” has increased, while our effective freedom to say words like “nigger” and “kike” has decreased. Although I personally still don’t use a lot of cuss words myself, I think this change overall is another decided improvement. The reason is that racist and sexist terms are directed to people, while scatological terms are not. And unlike insults directed at a single person, racist and sexist terms are intended to oppress whole classes of people. That’s why I’m offended by terms not directed at my group. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/344 "2018-06-01T08:58:18Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > The reason is that racist and sexist terms are directed to people, while scatological terms are not. You’ve never heard someone say “them [insert group here] are all shit?” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/345 "2018-06-01T10:44:05Z")
> [@Boacrow](#): > > What is my notion of free speech? I’ve only said that we don’t have it, that I’m not offended by it and people worry too much about it. I also said it helps me identify the dangerous ones. Which statements are wrong? > > If people would quit worrying about what people say so much they might not say it so much. Even if they did say it, it would be a whole lot more pleasant to not worry about it. I just don’t like to worry so if I don’t have to, I don’t. I really don’t have to worry about what people say unless they are about to back it up with action. Then I’ll start worrying. > > My original post was met with hostility when I simply pointed out the irony of people using offensive language to put down offensive language. Funny how I saw absolutely no remorse from any one at all about all the profanity that was posted even though they were awful high and mighty about someone else saying something offensive. Nothing but hypocrites in here. Not a single decent person among you, me included. Personally, I don’t give a shit, but there are many, many people around, some of them might even come to this site, who find language like that very offensive. If there are any of them in here on this thread, they are far more tolerant than the holier than though crowd. Not a single person stepped up to apologize to the masses for using offensive language, not one. Way to go folks. free·dom > > By the way, I’m not worried about anything said by anybody, I just enjoy debate. > > Having said that, I apologize for my language and goodnight. ABC has free speech too, which means they can choose to no longer speak for and with Roseanne. Freedom of speech is for everyone, and that means that your speech, or anyone’s, can have consequences when someone else uses their free speech to criticize yours, or even chooses to stop associating with you. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/346 "2018-06-01T11:05:13Z")
> [@Boacrow](#): > > Go ahead, call my sister a whore. I really don’t care. She won’t change in the least. Surely there’s something you could do or say to try to make her stop whoring.☹ ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/347 "2018-06-01T11:46:29Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Surely there’s something you could do or say to try to make her stop whoring.☹ No way, now that she’s getting paid for it, she’s never gonna stop. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/348 "2018-06-01T12:09:36Z")
Besides, her brother obviously supports her in this endeavor. Hell, he may even be her best customer! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/349 "2018-06-01T12:12:28Z")
> [@Boacrow](#): > > Ok, I’m willing to give it a shot. Turn me into a racist. Make me change my mind about how I feel about anything at all. I’ll give it a fair shot and we’ll see how powerful your words really are. I’m pretty sure you are already a racist. You just don’t admit it to yourself. > [@Boacrow](#): > > Have you ever actually met a racist? I don’t mean those sissies on television who use the “n” word to stir up folks, I mean an actual, dyed in the wool racist. Well, they’re pretty common around here. Lot’s of KKK folks… “Dyed in the wool” KKK members are not the only “real racists” in our society. It’s everyone who actively or passively benefits from or fails to take action against our white supremacist system. Indeed, the latter are more dangerous to society as a whole, because they’re the ones who are standing in the way of change. Without them, the KKK extremists would be a much smaller problem. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/350 "2018-06-01T12:35:45Z")
Perhaps his preacher could be accused of being a child molester? Plaster signs all over the town, billboards, newspaper ads, what-have-you. Get some kids to say “Yeah, that nasty preacher touched me in my no-no spot” People picket outside of the preacher’s house with “Pervert kill yourself” signs. Sorry, can’t do anything because of free speech! Plus, the preacher shouldn’t even be bothered by what people say about him. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/351 "2018-06-01T12:47:33Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Surely there’s something you could do or say to try to make her stop whoring.☹ This is all kinds of awesome. ---
**Author:** ![TheMightyFro](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/themightyfro/32/20081_2.png) [@TheMightyFro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheMightyFro)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/352 "2018-06-01T14:08:29Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Rosanne Barr makes a racist remark about a former Obama administration woman on Twitter and is called out for it. > > She apologizes for her bad ‘joke’. I fully support your opinion. To top it off, being a world renowned comedian, one would expect better “comedy” from Rosanne Barr. In attempting contrition (or deflection?), the best she could come up with as a defense was to cast shade on herself for the one thing she is supposed to “get right”; that is, comedy. I was never a big fan, and I always had a feeling she had this type of behavior in her repertoire. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/353 "2018-06-01T16:22:50Z")
> [@Boacrow](#): > > What is my notion of free speech? I’ve only said that we don’t have it, that I’m not offended by it and people worry too much about it. I also said it helps me identify the dangerous ones. Which statements are wrong? > > If people would quit worrying about what people say so much they might not say it so much. Even if they did say it, it would be a whole lot more pleasant to not worry about it. I just don’t like to worry so if I don’t have to, I don’t. I really don’t have to worry about what people say unless they are about to back it up with action. Then I’ll start worrying. I guess what you are trying to say is that hateful racist speech should go unremarked, because, free speech. But speech that is critical of hateful racist speech is unpleasant to you, and shouldn’t be used. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/354 "2018-06-01T21:51:48Z")
I’ll take the challenge. You are a racist, because you are using free speech as a euphemism “racist speech should not have consequences.” There is no reason to want racist speech not to have consequences unless you support racism. You also claim that people shouldn’t care about what they are called. That is defending people using “nigger” and “faggot.” Combine that with the above, and you want to be able to use those words. Oh, and you’re a sock who came back just to post about this situation, defending a racist. So you got that going for ya, too. Of course, in reality, that means you’re just trolling, and may not believe a single word of what you’re saying. But you offered a challenge, and I took it. I take you that non-seriously that I’m willing to play with you. Enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/355 "2018-06-01T22:26:25Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > You’ve never heard someone say “them [insert group here] are all shit?” Actually, no. Racist I’ve come across are more creative than that. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/356 "2018-06-01T23:21:07Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’ll take the challenge. You are a racist, because you are using free speech as a euphemism “racist speech should not have consequences.” There is no reason to want racist speech not to have consequences unless you support racism. > > You also claim that people shouldn’t care about what they are called. That is defending people using “nigger” and “faggot.” Combine that with the above, and you want to be able to use those words. > > Oh, and you’re a sock who came back just to post about this situation, defending a racist. So you got that going for ya, too. > > Of course, in reality, that means you’re just trolling, and may not believe a single word of what you’re saying. But you offered a challenge, and I took it. I take you that non-seriously that I’m willing to play with you. > > Enjoy. Not only is he a racist sock, but apparently his sister is an unrepentant whore. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/357 "2018-06-02T00:34:31Z")
Meanwhile, it looks like Rosanne was hired to be Buffalo Wild Wings’s social media director… > I will admit, the dig at Wendy’s made me LOL. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/358 "2018-06-02T02:53:48Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Not only is he a racist sock, but apparently his sister is an unrepentant whore. Word. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/359 "2018-06-02T04:11:46Z")
> [@Boacrow](#): > > Have you ever actually met a racist? I don’t mean those sissies on television who use the “n” word to stir up folks, I mean an actual, dyed in the wool racist. Well, they’re pretty common around here. Lot’s of KKK folks, I even remember a sign when I was growing up, a billboard on a county road going into a place known for it’s clan activities. It was a warning to any blacks that cared to cross the bridge it sat next to. In fact, once we left school to go to the store about 3 or 4 miles past the bridge. The sign had long since been gone but we had a black friend in the car with us. As soon as we crossed the bridge he dove into the floorboard out of fear. It actually wasn’t that bad by that time though. I can remember hearing about burning crosses on lawns during my lifetime. I probably knew the people responsible but they would never admit to it. I remember a race riot at my school where my black friends warned me not to come near them or they would kill me. The next day they were cool with me again, but the tension throughout the school lingered for a very long time. I’ve known old timers who, no doubt, took place in lynchings back in the day. You want racism, you come down here to the bible belt my friend. Get a good look at what kind of hatred can come from the God fearing Christians down here. And it’s not the words that I fear from these people, it’s the actions. They are crazy enough and motivated enough to worry me. That’s one reason I advocate free speech. It helps me to figure out who the dangerous ones are right away. There is absolutely no way this is a true story. You are a lying racist troll. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/360 "2018-06-02T04:13:52Z")
“I live in fear of the racists around me, so I don’t speak up” is a vastly different story than the original one this person told of “Eh, doesn’t bother me so I don’t say anything and you shouldn’t either.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075.md?page=19)