# Stop claiming it was a joke, you piece of crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075 "2018-05-29T17:50:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/161 "2018-05-30T11:27:37Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Why don’t we put in a call to Kathy Griffin and ask her about that. _crickets_ ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/162 "2018-05-30T11:37:41Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I watched her reality show about her on her nut farm in Hawaii back in 2011. And she did come off as, off. One episode her kids and boyfriend did something nice for her, I forget exactly what but it involved them moving a lot of furniture outside and then they did their thing and were moving the stuff back in but she came home early and caught them right at the end and she was really pissed off. Everyone was trying to calm her down and explain that the furniture was outside because of this nice thing they did for her and she wouldn’t calm down. I remember they interviewed the adult daughter about it and she said something like her mom has always been a bit crazy. > > I was aware of Roseanne’s idiot tweeting in the past and worried that it might come back to get her because I like the original show and the return. > > It sucks that she let her tardedness kill the show and all those jobs. > > I was really looking forward to seeing the rest of the cast all together again and playing off of each other again. > > I’ve seen mention around the internets people suggesting to kill off Roseanne in the show and change the name to Dan and just let it keep going. I would totally watch that. There might be some issues with the “killing her off” solution; for instance, she might have an ownership interest in the characters. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/163 "2018-05-30T12:05:06Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > There might be some issues with the “killing her off” solution; for instance, she might have an ownership interest in the characters. That might complicate killing her _character_ off… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/164 "2018-05-30T12:16:47Z")
Roseanne’s toast, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see her get some sort of talk show on some alt-right platform at some point. People like Roseanne are never contrite about their bigotry, they’re just occasionally ‘sorry’ that it has consequences. But I guarantee she’s going to dig in even deeper now. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/165 "2018-05-30T12:20:16Z")
Roseanne was a pig, is a pig, and will always be a pig. The only thing that surprises me about this is that I believed she was a clever pig. Apparently not! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/166 "2018-05-30T12:39:18Z")
And of course, right wingers are recirculating long-debunked [rumors about Valerie Jarrett.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/make-america-more-islamic-quote/) Yeah, she totally used her married name six years before she got married to talk about promoting a religion that she does not practice. Once again, right wingers have no conscience about spreading bullshit as long as it vilifies their opponents. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/167 "2018-05-30T12:44:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Anyone else suspect that this may have been of a last straw kind of thing, and that there was probably more going on behind the scenes? I honestly would not be surprised if they had been having issues with her and were just looking for an excuse to cancel the show. The woman’s not exactly known for being a [joy to work with](https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/roseanne-barr-fired-show-canceled/). Maybe, but they had 19 million reasons to suck it up and keep going. They wouldn’t have been looking for an excuse to cancel one of the top-rated shows on TV. This decision was couched in moral terms, but the monetary ones certainly drove it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/168 "2018-05-30T13:08:29Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Maybe, but they had 19 million reasons to suck it up and keep going. They wouldn’t have been looking for an excuse to cancel one of the top-rated shows on TV. This decision was couched in moral terms, but the monetary ones certainly drove it. The president of the ABC entertainment group is African American. I’m guessing it wasn’t her idea for a show, but she went along with it because it was an overture to include a demographic they’ve been accused of ignoring: aging, middle class white Americans. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Channing Dungey made it clear on day one that Roseanne Barr’s leash was a short one, and that she wasn’t going to tolerate any shenanigans. So my theory is, Roseanne Barr probably behaved well in the beginning, when the ratings weren’t a thing. But then realized that she had an audience and decided that she wanted to test Dungey’s will to pull the plug on a successful show, assuming she wouldn’t dare, and that this assumption turned out to be a wrong one. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/169 "2018-05-30T13:09:15Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > There might be some issues with the “killing her off” solution; for instance, she might have an ownership interest in the characters. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > That might complicate killing her _character_ off… If she has an ownership interest in the existence of her character’s family members, then ABC maintaining that existence could be something they need to pay her for. Mind you, I don’t know for certain if Roseanne “owns” the character Dan Conner. Just putting it out there as a plausible reason ABC might think it less complicated to abandon the show entirely ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/170 "2018-05-30T13:15:15Z")
It’s easy enough to make a knockoff show, though. If the attractiveness of the show was that it showed a working-class family with realistic lives, sometimes discussing real political issues, well, just make another one. Or base it on “All in the Family” instead, if you’re worried about it looking too much like “Roseanne”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/171 "2018-05-30T13:17:52Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > And nativist - Jarrett was born in Iran of American parents. The people attacking her for the sin of having been born in a place they dislike despite never having been there always leave out the last bit. Thanks for pointing that out. I also was born overseas to American parents. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/172 "2018-05-30T13:25:21Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > OK. One of my Canadian relatives posted (shared) this. > > How true is it? > > "Roseanne: > > I believe that each employer has the right to fire anyone they wish at anytime for behaviors they find unacceptable. > ABC has this right as well as the NFL! My only issue with this action by ABC to cancel the Roseanne show is there utter Hypocracy! > Weeks ago, Joy Baehar…of the View mocked Christians who believe that God speaks to them should be evaluated for Mental Illness! Muslims, Christians, Hindus,Jews and others believe in a personal relationship with the Creator…and Yes, we believe the almighty speaks to us in his own way. > Joy wasn’t fired for offending millions of believers. Moreover, this network supports and retains bigots of all kinds…because the people they attack and mock …are Conservatives, Christians…all is acceptable as long as the targets are not Liberal. > While I would not have used the same exact words to describe Valerie Jarret, Obama’s close advisor, I personally have great anger towards this woman. She and the enablers around her / Obama…was directly involved in the direct rape, torture, enslavement and murder of thousands of innocent Arab, Kurd, Yazi, Persian and Shi’a …across 8 nation’s across the Mideast. The Nobel peace prize winner Obama …brought death, chaos and human suffering and the greatest refugee crisis since WW2! > The poor souls of the Mideast have more choice words that describe what they think of Obama and those around him who allowed his war-crimes. Ask the orphans, ask the widows, ask the families of the 5 thousand killed by Obama’s Drones…ask them what words they would use to describe Jarret, Hillary, Kerry and the rest. I assure everyone…Roseanne’s comments are tame in comparison. > With this said.fire anyone you wish ABC…just be fair in your judgement and punishment! In the end…the market and the consumer will decide the ultimate fate of all!" > > ETA: Quoted from one Shane Philip. I’m sorry, but how true do you think it all is? Does any of it sound at all plausible? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/173 "2018-05-30T13:42:36Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I’m sorry, but how true do you think it all is? Does any of it sound at all plausible? Right off the bat, nobody in the NFL is getting fired without a disciplinary review. The players still have, after all, their collective bargaining agreement. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/174 "2018-05-30T13:46:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Thanks for pointing that out. I also was born overseas to American parents. I’m also seeing news reports (not just right wing sources) that say she was “raised in Iran”, but her wikipedia page says they moved away when she was 5. To me, that makes “raised in Iran” a rather odd claim. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/175 "2018-05-30T13:55:44Z")
It’s no odder a claim than the one that Barack Obama was educated in an Indonesian madrassah. It’s targeted at the same audience, though. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/176 "2018-05-30T14:03:39Z")
_Hypocracy_ – I love it! “Government by the lowest.” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/177 "2018-05-30T14:42:06Z")
Roseanne’s blamed her vile tweets on Ambien, but Sanofi US (maker of Ambien) [for the win](https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1001830931668393984): > [@](#): > > "…While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication,” Ashleigh Koss, Head of Media Relations, North America, Sanofi US ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/178 "2018-05-30T14:46:45Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Roseanne’s blamed her vile tweets on Ambien, but Sanofi US (maker of Ambien) [for the win](https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1001830931668393984): That’s phenomenal ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/179 "2018-05-30T14:52:40Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Roseanne’s blamed her vile tweets on Ambien, but Sanofi US (maker of Ambien) [for the win](https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1001830931668393984): They tweeted it as well. > Our world is weird. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075/180 "2018-05-30T14:56:36Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s no odder a claim than the one that Barack Obama was educated in an Indonesian madrassah. It’s targeted at the same audience, though. Like I said, I was not referring to a right wing source, so it is odd. [Here’s the link](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/abc-cancels-roseanne-following-roseanne-barrs-racist-tweet-191050009.html), and I got the exact quote wrong, but I think it amounts to the same thing: > [@](#): > > Many immediately took offense at Barr’s tweet, since Jarrett is an African-American who grew up in Iran. “Grew up” instead of “was raised”. Equally as odd to say if she did in fact move away when she was 5. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-claiming-it-was-a-joke-you-piece-of-crap/815075.md?page=10)