You’re being delusional about this. You’re unrealistically rosy about Biden, making every excuse in the book for him. You have an important argument to make when you talk about how it’s not practical for anyone else to get their campaign up to speed in time.
But when you try to imply that everyone here is being nitpicky because the president put up a horrific performance on one of the most important tasks of his life and even that we’re swallowing GQP propaganda when we analyze what we saw with our own eyes, you’re going way too far.
You are massively downplaying it by suggesting what he said was fine, he just had a raspy voice. What he said was not fine. You could read it as a transcript and it’s still an awful performance. He didn’t effectively attack what Trump was saying which would’ve been trivially easy to do well. He was rambling, he picked the wrong words often, he didn’t make incisive comments, he didn’t effectively appeal to the audience. Nothing he did was good. Not his performance, not his actual choice of words, not his ability to win the audience over.
Think about the closing statement. That’s a rehearsed 2 minute speech. His was rambling and not well prepared or delivered. That has nothing to do with a raspy voice - he either didn’t plan out the closing statement or he couldn’t execute it, and either way that’s a huge problem.
Someone who is president and who is trying to be president again should never put up a performance that bad. We don’t know that it’s out of character. He has been out in public less over time and it’s plausible that his age is causing a decline.
You’re lying to yourself if you think this isn’t legitimate cause for concern and you’re needlessly and wrongly insulting by saying that anyone that is concerned is just falling for propaganda.
Shit-hey, the man has been serving in public office since the revolutionary war or summat. A Senator and single Dad. Won against an incumbent President and now, so long as he attains office before dying he’s made you happy.
What have you done for the cause save post on a left wing website?
Amongst my current American politics sources is Pod Save America with Obama staffers Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, Dan Pfeiffer, and Tommy Vietor. All good operators for the cause with their shoulder firmly to the wheel.
Listen to their podcast last week where the vibe was up & humming for Joe to provide a passable resemblance of his SotU address and kickstart the balance of his campaign and then to their podcast this week where hair shirts have been issued.
The race in November is about who can turn out the vote. There is a whole generation of younger voters that didn’t experience Bush Gore, and don’t realize their not voting or for a 3rd party candidate means that two net new votes need to make up the gap. One new voter to replace the one thrown away, and a second new voter to increase the vote.
And need a reason for the double haters to not double hate.
Someone young (50ish) with fire and able to look presidential in a debate. Better if they don’t have Israeli Palestinian baggage. Then low information voters have a very obvious choice between some old fuck and someone more sane.
Mission #1 is to take out Trump. Biden has struggled to do so.
Team Biden knew, we all freaking knew, the Trump modus operandi. And either didn’t prepare for it, which I find difficult to believe, or they guy wasn’t up to the job. And if Joe “had a cold” that badly, he should have cancelled instead of coming out like a zombie.
I see the debate as a blessing in disguise. Instead of hoping that the post convention debate will turn things around, now’s the time for a reset while the shot clock has 5 months to go. Kamala isn’t my favorite, but the ex federal prosecutor would have eviscerated Trump on stage, gotten under his skin, fact checked on every rebuttal, called out female body rights, and the need to prevent the Supreme taliban from decimating our country. Biden whiffed on every chance to take trump down a peg. Again, mission 1 is to beat trump. Biden has failed so far. Hope is not a strategy.
Have I? I’m in agreement that Biden did poorly at the debate. Where I disagree is that this means he’s clearly on death’s door and needs to drop out, or that his campaign is DOA, or that there should be any serious conversation about replacing him. If two former presidents agree that everyone can have a bad night and he’s still the best man for the job, then I’m going to value their opinion over those of some schmuck on CNN.
You exaggerate. He struggled with his stutter and word choice, but he was by far the more truthful and informative of the two candidates on stage. All Trump did was bullshit and refuse to answer any of the questions he was asked. Biden at least tried to be informative, and based on what I’m seeing and hearing from people who don’t live and breathe politics like the people on this board do, nobody who wasn’t going to vote for Trump before is going to change their minds because of Biden’s lackluster showing.
I make a point of not listening to anyone who’s being paid to have an opinion.
He had a choice to make; go on with a cold and try to do the best he could under the circumstances, or drop out of the debate and prove everything Trump says about him right. I believe he made the best choice with the information he had.
If such a person existed they would be the incumbent president right now.
To the contrary, Biden is the only person who has successfully taken out Trump.
Completely irrelevant. I mean, do you have some special insight into this election that Axelrod and Jones don’t because of all the elections that you’ve won? (And incidentally, I’d say Axelrod won two presidential elections as Obama’s chief strategist.)
I really hope this “panicking” is all for naught and we’re all toasting to a second Biden term come November, but I worked on the Clinton campaign, and I had already been on the ground for a few months by this time in 2016. The reason I’m nervous and willing to actually listen to the experts who are sounding an alarm bell is because in 2016, Hilary had less red flags than Biden does right now, and I spent all spring, summer and fall of '16 with my fingers in my ears saying “La-la-la! Everything’s fine! Hilary’s the best! There’s nothing to worry about!” But I knew in my gut we were in some serious doo-doo vs. Trump, and I think a lot of people were like that.
I didn’t have that gut feeling in 2020. But I have it again now. And I’m not sticking my fingers in my ears this time, and I’m glad people in positions of power aren’t either. Too much is on the line to just hope this will all work out with the 81 year old who figuratively shit the bed on national tv this week. Maybe it will work out with him, but before it gets any later, I’m glad there’s some soul searching going on.
I haven’t heard anyone “in positions of power” say Biden needs to drop out - just people who get paid to have opinions on TV and people on this message board. For that matter, every one of my Gen-Z coworkers that I talked to about the debate at work today agree that he should stay in. When a former president, or presidential nominee, or the head of the DNC, or a respected senior senator or governor starts saying so, then I’ll listen.
there is a kernal of truth in what you wrote. That said, it was a squeaker 4 years ago. World has changed, voter demographics have changed, biden has aged.
Former presidents and other prominent democratic strategists would publically say “our candidate is incompetent and must leave the race”? Really? Give me a fucking break.
Nope. Never. Every single person on this thread knows that would never happen. You’re only pretending it would so that you can set the burden of proof there. I’ve engaged enough with you.
Happy_Lendervedder is the one who said “people in positions of power” are talking about replacing Biden. Take it up with them if you think it’s an unrealistic standard.
Note that “this Biden” isn’t wearing a tie. Last night’s Biden probably would have done better if he didn’t have a tightly knotted decorative scarf and a tight collar obstructing his breathing while he was dealing with a cold.
I haven’t worn a necktie in 13 years and will refuse to wear one under any circumstances, specifically for that reason - it’s uncomfortable and makes it hard to move and breathe. When fashion dictates that I wear something around my neck, I wear an ascot tucked into my shirt with the collar undone.
Dude, with all due respect, tie no tie is weak sauce. At the debate, Joe Zombie showed up. I am ecstatic that Fightin’ Joe showed up at a rally today. But Zombie Joe at the debate is what the demographic of low information voters, younger voters that believe their vote doesn’t matter. And these are the voters that will make or break this election
They don’t need to actually watch the debates to have heard from 500 different places how badly Joe Biden did by now. It’s hard to miss. It’s everywhere.
