# Stop posting, Sandrino **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 30, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068 "2003-11-30T15:50:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Creative\_Munster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Creative\_Munster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Creative_Munster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2003, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/41 "2003-12-04T19:53:05Z")
**Pizzabrat** , I was referring to your notion that most people are racists, misogynists and homophobe. You stated this very clearly in that thread you linked to. If you truly hold this position, I think you are bound to be offended by things that aren’t intended to offend at all. If from the outset, you are prepared to be offended, you will be offended regardless of what the situation is. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2003, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/42 "2003-12-04T20:30:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eve \* > > I’m pro-crastinate, and anti-Mame. I’m a sucker for a sharp gal, yet I’m feasting on your wit. Para-dox? ---
**Author:** ![agiantdwarf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8c91f0/32.png) [@agiantdwarf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agiantdwarf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2003, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/43 "2003-12-04T23:22:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, this is an excellent example. Traditionally Russia was a viciously anti-semitic country–pogroms were “invented” in Russia, after all. The Russian Orthodox Church is a particularly nasty, anti-semitic, absolutist christian sect, and under Tsarism it was given a dominant position in society. > > The Bolshevik Revolution swept most of that crap away. This can be seen pretty clearly by noting that the co-leader of the revolution, with Lenin, and founder of the Red Army, Leon Trotsky, was a jew. In fact, jews played a disproportionate role, relative to their percentage of the population, in the revolution and were over-represented in the soviet government. This fact was in the news recently even, as a neo-nazi member of the German Fourth Reich government was forced to resign over anti-semitic statements about jews in the Russian Revolution. FUCK YOU, SANDINO ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/44 "2003-12-05T05:46:42Z")
Nope, he’s still posting, and still jumping to huge conclusions: > [@](#): > > Well, this was an “interesting” thread. Mumia is clearly an innocent man and the victim of a vicious racist frame-up by a profoundly corrupt in-justice system. One’s position on Mumia thus acts as a sort of litmus test of one’s not-so-unconscious racism. Why is he clearly innocent? Well, for one thing, > > The guy who committed the murder admitted to it. > > We have a video of the confession, and a singed affidavit attesting to this fact. So we’ve got a confession—and no evidence, it seems----and accusations of racism when the people in the thread were discussing the facts of the case. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/45 "2003-12-05T06:39:21Z")
What the…you know, I’ll grant you that Tsarist Russia was anti-semitic-my love of the Romanovs does NOT blind me to that. Nor will I deny that the Orthodox church had its share of bigots. But to say it’s nothing but anti-semitism is pretty damning. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/46 "2003-12-05T13:35:21Z")
The only truly annoying thing about our latest leftist is his unpleasant habit of ignoring factual refutations. He simply jumps into a thread, delivers the Party line, and repeats as he feels necessary. Has he been notified of his Pitting? It would be - interesting - to see how he reacts to a Pit thread. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/47 "2003-12-05T16:22:39Z")
I’ve very little in common with this guy but can somebody tell me what in the piece quoted above about the position of jews in tsarist Russia and their role in the revolution is so abhorrent as to deserve a large “Fuck You”. Obviously, jews suffered under Stalin but they did play a major role in the original revolution and in the formation of the soviet administration. Not that it’s particularly relevant but the guy charged with looking after the Romanovs in Yekaterinburg was jewish and his family history meant he had little difficulty in carrying out the order to execute them. It’s also hard to argue against the proposition that the Russian Orthodox Church played a major role in the systematic subjugation of jews in pre-Soviet Russia and in fomenting the periodic bouts of anti-semetic violence. I’ve no idea what thread the quote comes from so maybe it deserves a “fuck you” but, without context, it doesn’t appear overly objectionable to me. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/48 "2003-12-05T16:27:07Z")
Burned by the evil capitalist swine, no doubt! ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/49 "2003-12-05T18:56:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manwithaplan \* > \*\*I’ve very little in common with this guy but can somebody tell me what in the piece quoted above about the position of jews in tsarist Russia and their role in the revolution is so abhorrent as to deserve a large “Fuck You”. > > I’ve no idea what thread the quote comes from so maybe it deserves a “fuck you” but, without context, it doesn’t appear overly objectionable to me. \*\* I can’t be sure exactly what **agiantdwarf** found objectionable. It’s possible he’s Russian Orthodox and objects to it being called “a particularly nasty, anti-semitic, absolutist christian sect,”. It’s possible he’s Jewish and finds the claim that the communist revolution was good for the Jews and put an end to pogroms and government sponsored oppression ridiculous and insulting. I happen to live in the Soviet/Russian neighborhood of Philadelphia. It’s filled with Jews who fled the USSR as soon as they could. One neighbor told me how he risked beating, imprisonment (possibly for life), or death by the act of attending services each week. ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/50 "2003-12-05T21:00:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\* > Has he been notified of his Pitting? It would be - interesting - to see how he reacts to a Pit thread. > \*\* The problem is, I’m afraid that he’d denounce us all (or, at least, the person who informs him of this) as a “capitalist running dog lackey”, or some other folderol. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/51 "2003-12-05T22:55:33Z")
Ah, Ninotchka, Ninotchka, my lovely, humorless Ninotchka . . . ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/52 "2003-12-05T23:10:03Z")
Does **Sandino** keep a photo of Lenin at his bedside? ---
**Author:** ![agiantdwarf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8c91f0/32.png) [@agiantdwarf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agiantdwarf)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2003, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/53 "2003-12-06T02:06:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DocCathode \* > \*\*It’s possible he’s Jewish and finds the claim that the communist revolution was good for the Jews and put an end to pogroms and government sponsored oppression ridiculous and insulting. I happen to live in the Soviet/Russian neighborhood of Philadelphia. It’s filled with Jews who fled the USSR as soon as they could. One neighbor told me how he risked beating, imprisonment (possibly for life), or death by the act of attending services each week. \*\* That I am. I thought their plight was common knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2003, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/54 "2003-12-06T03:51:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*What the…you know, I’ll grant you that Tsarist Russia was anti-semitic-my love of the Romanovs does NOT blind me to that. > > Nor will I deny that the Orthodox church had its share of bigots. > > But to say it’s nothing but anti-semitism is pretty damning. \*\* You know, as far as I am concerned, it’s nothing but that. I’m not talking in abstractions here, I’m talking about the abuse suffered by my actual grandparents and their brothers and sisters and their parents and their parents, etc. It didn’t matter at all to them that those evil bastards had cool eggs made for them or whatever the fuck else they spent their time doing. They commissioned the _Protocols of the Elders of Zion_, for God’s sake. It was the evil of the Romanovs that caused the revolution to happen and led to a greater evil in Stalin. How on Earth could you love the Romanovs? Those fuckers, with the exception of the children, got better than they deserved. Haj ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2003, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/55 "2003-12-06T04:11:06Z")
Eh, to tell you the truth, against my better nature I’ve been missing ol’ brickheaded **Chumpsky** and his fulminating, fact-free, faintly quaint rants against the buzhwazee. Now it seems we’ve got another one. Have at 'im, kids. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2003, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/56 "2003-12-06T04:28:17Z")
**hajaro** , perhaps because more than a few of them were human beings, who were victims of circumstances? Good god, the man who killed them even killed the dog belonging to Grand Duchess Anastasia-does that sound like justice to you? Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2003, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/57 "2003-12-06T04:53:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\ ***hajaro** , perhaps because more than a few of them were human beings, who were victims of circumstances? > > Good god, the man who killed them even killed the dog belonging to Grand Duchess Anastasia-does that sound like justice to you? > > Fuck you. \*\* OK, then with the exception of the children and the dog. I didn’t know about the dog. I fail to see what that has to do with anything. So, the guys who kill the Duchesses dog get more venom from you that the family who were resposible for the massacre of actual people? Unbelievable. Are you aware of the pogroms and the history of the _Protocols_? Don’t you get it? They stole from and brutalized my family. People who I actually knew. My great-grand father on my father’s side lived in what is now the Georgian Republic. The first born Jewish male in every family was conscripted in the Czarist Army for ten years. They sent him and his first cousin, as was the practice, as far away from their families as they could. If one deserted, they would kill your entire family. Great-grand father did manage to escape but changed his name so it his family wouldn’t get killed. He never was able to contact them again. My grand mother on my mother’s side came to the US as a teen from what is now the Ukraine. Her cousin was killed in a pogrom. A cossack horseman galloped by and trampled her on purpose. She saved her little sister but throwing her in a bush. They were once made to stand outside all day in their finest waiting for a carriage carrying one of the dukes or something so he could see his happy little subjects. Sometimes, they’d take all of the men and boys and march them for two or three days. The women of the village never knew if or when they would come home. Some of them didn’t. Again, I ask you, how can you love them? Being interested in that period of history, I can understand. Loving the Romanovs? I don’t get it. How about a better argument than “fuck you”? How can you possibly defend them? Haj ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2003, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/58 "2003-12-06T05:22:40Z")
**haj** , did I deny that any of that took place? No, I did not. What I’m saying is there was more to Nicholas than an anti-semitic jackass. There was more to the family than just the Tsars. Some of them were assholes, I won’t deny that. However, how does that justify what Yurovsky and company did in return? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2003, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/59 "2003-12-06T05:40:20Z")
Who said you denied anything, **Guin**? I am sure there was more to Nick than an anti-semetic jackass. I am sure he loved his kids and had a fine sense of humor. Maybe he was a good tennis player too. What the fuck does that matter compared to the evil he was responsible for? If those fucks were the least bit reasonable, there would not have been enough anger for Lenin and then Stalin to happen. They lived unbelievably opulent lives while millions of their subjects starved. It’s clear in retrospect that Stalin was much worse. At the time though, it was a reasonable thing to get the Romanovs out of power by any means possible. If you believe that those responsible for murder and genocide should get the death penelty, then justice was served (remember, I excluded the children in my first post.) Tell me what more there was to Nicholas. How can there be anything about his character that mitigates the rest? Haj ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2003, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068/60 "2003-12-06T05:57:04Z")
Perhaps it was right to execute the Tsar-or put him on trial or whatever. BUT, that was not all that was done. I AM talking about putting his wife, his children, and his servants along with him. Nor were they the only ones-his brother Mikhail was shot the day before he was, with his secretary, and the day following the execution of the Tsar would see his sister in law (a nun), several cousins, nieces and nephews thrown down a mineshaft and then grenades were tossed in with them. I’m saying that the communists proved to be even worse. Basically, however, I was objecting to the statement that Orthodox Christianity is nothing but an excuse for pogroms, when it’s NOT. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-posting-sandrino/216068.md?page=4)